Comments on: The Redacting of REDACTED http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/ Daily coverage of what is truly interesting in the film world Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:21:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: pat http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-20849 pat Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:28:21 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-20849 +REDACTED SHOULD NOT EVER BE SHOWN IN A THEATER IN THE USA.OUR TROOPS DESERVE MORE RESPECT AND SUPPORT THEN THIS.IT BELONGS IN THE TRASH. HOPEFULLY THAT IS WHERE IS ENDS UP +REDACTED SHOULD NOT EVER BE SHOWN IN A THEATER IN THE USA.OUR TROOPS DESERVE MORE RESPECT AND SUPPORT THEN THIS.IT BELONGS IN THE TRASH. HOPEFULLY THAT IS WHERE IS ENDS UP

]]> By: Hoopla - Entertainment Blog » Blog Archive » Brian De Palma and Magnolia Pictures Argue Over ‘Redacted’ Images http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4405 Hoopla - Entertainment Blog » Blog Archive » Brian De Palma and Magnolia Pictures Argue Over ‘Redacted’ Images Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:59:32 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4405 [...] head and current Spout blogger Karina Longworth contacted Mark Cuban about the argument, and he says: “The film is going to be [...] [...] head and current Spout blogger Karina Longworth contacted Mark Cuban about the argument, and he says: “The film is going to be [...]

]]> By: Movie Clerks » Brian De Palma and Magnolia Pictures Argue Over ‘Redacted’ Images http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4400 Movie Clerks » Brian De Palma and Magnolia Pictures Argue Over ‘Redacted’ Images Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:09:40 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4400 [...] head and current Spout blogger Karina Longworth contacted Mark Cuban about the argument, and he says: “The film is going to be [...] [...] head and current Spout blogger Karina Longworth contacted Mark Cuban about the argument, and he says: “The film is going to be [...]

]]> By: karina http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4320 karina Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:49:25 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4320 Ryan, Cuban's contact with FOX (and O'Reilly, no less) over Redacted has already begun. Check out this post on his blog, which I found via Anne Thompson: http://www.blogmaverick.com/2007/09/04/me-and-bill-oreilly/ Ryan, Cuban’s contact with FOX (and O’Reilly, no less) over Redacted has already begun. Check out this post on his blog, which I found via Anne Thompson:

http://www.blogmaverick.com/2007/09/04/me-and-bill-oreilly/

]]> By: tacostand http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4304 tacostand Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:36:30 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4304 I think that the VOD date is weeks earlier. Like maybe 11/2. Then it opens theatrically two weeks later. Total bunk. I think that the VOD date is weeks earlier. Like maybe 11/2. Then it opens theatrically two weeks later.

Total bunk.

]]> By: karina http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4291 karina Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:39:24 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4291 You could be right. But I think, if I were Mark Cuban, that those 30 seconds on Fox News would be of little concern to me, because I would know that all press is good press, and I would have proved that I know that by competing on Dancing with the Stars. You could be right. But I think, if I were Mark Cuban, that those 30 seconds on Fox News would be of little concern to me, because I would know that all press is good press, and I would have proved that I know that by competing on Dancing with the Stars.

]]> By: Ryan Stewart http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4290 Ryan Stewart Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:30:33 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4290 I don't think there's an issue of legal soundness, I think Cuban knows that any movie on the Iraq war is fair game for public debate, and he could very well end up on Fox News, with the blowhard anchor going .. "but isn't it true, sir, that some of these photos are...FAKE!" And Cuban would have to defend De Palma's high-art techniques. He's made a movie about soldier misconduct during the Iraq war and he's staged at least a couple of photographs for a slideshow-type presentation at the end that screams 'non-fiction' to the audience. That's very hard to explain to Johnny Appleseed out there. If all the photos were real and verifiable, I think it would be less of a gamble for Cuban, because he could say 'look, it is what it is.' Confusion allayed? I don’t think there’s an issue of legal soundness, I think Cuban knows that any movie on the Iraq war is fair game for public debate, and he could very well end up on Fox News, with the blowhard anchor going .. “but isn’t it true, sir, that some of these photos are…FAKE!” And Cuban would have to defend De Palma’s high-art techniques. He’s made a movie about soldier misconduct during the Iraq war and he’s staged at least a couple of photographs for a slideshow-type presentation at the end that screams ‘non-fiction’ to the audience. That’s very hard to explain to Johnny Appleseed out there. If all the photos were real and verifiable, I think it would be less of a gamble for Cuban, because he could say ‘look, it is what it is.’ Confusion allayed?

]]> By: karina http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4285 karina Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:09:47 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4285 I'm confused. Are you saying that staging photographs is more of a scandal than using real photographs of real dead bodies? Are you saying that you think they're all staged, and Cuban doesn't want the montage to be released because of that? I agree that it's not about something as pedestrian as "upsetting" people, but I would think that if they were all staged, that would be legally sound, less upsetting, and thus fundamentally there would be no issue. I’m confused. Are you saying that staging photographs is more of a scandal than using real photographs of real dead bodies? Are you saying that you think they’re all staged, and Cuban doesn’t want the montage to be released because of that? I agree that it’s not about something as pedestrian as “upsetting” people, but I would think that if they were all staged, that would be legally sound, less upsetting, and thus fundamentally there would be no issue.

]]> By: Ryan Stewart http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4284 Ryan Stewart Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:01:07 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4284 I just listened to the tape. In response to an inaudible question from the audinece about the authenticity of the photographs, she says "we didn't take them, so we can't confirm that, but the photographers who did take them, we were fortunate to meet them and they gave us those photographs, specifically. They were photojournalists in Baghdad and they were political refugees in Jordan at the time they were shooting. Our understanding is that they were, but.." -- questioner then yells something inaudible back. "Okay, yes there are two photographs in the montage that are constructed by the production --" -- the moderator cuts her off and starts talking about the parallels between Iraq and Vietnam. Okay, so that's two -- what's the other fake one? And political refugees from Jordan handed them these? I'm not questioning De Palma's right to create staged art or his veracity as a filmmaker, I'm suggesting that Cuban is a smart and media saavy guy and I'm sure the conversations behind closed-doors are more along the lines of 'will this blow up in our faces?' as opposed to 'will this upset people?' I just listened to the tape. In response to an inaudible question from the audinece about the authenticity of the photographs, she says “we didn’t take them, so we can’t confirm that, but the photographers who did take them, we were fortunate to meet them and they gave us those photographs, specifically. They were photojournalists in Baghdad and they were political refugees in Jordan at the time they were shooting. Our understanding is that they were, but..” — questioner then yells something inaudible back. “Okay, yes there are two photographs in the montage that are constructed by the production –” — the moderator cuts her off and starts talking about the parallels between Iraq and Vietnam.

Okay, so that’s two — what’s the other fake one? And political refugees from Jordan handed them these? I’m not questioning De Palma’s right to create staged art or his veracity as a filmmaker, I’m suggesting that Cuban is a smart and media saavy guy and I’m sure the conversations behind closed-doors are more along the lines of ‘will this blow up in our faces?’ as opposed to ‘will this upset people?’

]]> By: karina http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4277 karina Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:24:37 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4277 DePalma admits that the final photo was staged, in the interview with Anthony Kaufman that I linked to above. DePalma admits that the final photo was staged, in the interview with Anthony Kaufman that I linked to above.

]]> By: Ryan Stewart http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4274 Ryan Stewart Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:09:42 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4274 During an unannounced Q&A following a public screening of Redacted at the Toronto film festival, one of the producers of the film, standing on stage beside De Palma, blurted out that at least one of those photographs was completely faked up. De Palma shot her a look and she shut up. I've got it all on tape. Maybe that's why Cuban has a problem. He doesn't want to look like a fool. During an unannounced Q&A following a public screening of Redacted at the Toronto film festival, one of the producers of the film, standing on stage beside De Palma, blurted out that at least one of those photographs was completely faked up. De Palma shot her a look and she shut up. I’ve got it all on tape. Maybe that’s why Cuban has a problem. He doesn’t want to look like a fool.

]]> By: jürgen fauth’s muckworld » Blog Archive » Redacting Redacted http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4268 jürgen fauth’s muckworld » Blog Archive » Redacting Redacted Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:36:38 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4268 [...] voyeurism, and whether it’s easier to be labeled a misogynist or a traitor. At Spoutblog, Karina Longworth gets a statement from Cuban, and Bowles comments at Movie City Indie. My review [...] [...] voyeurism, and whether it’s easier to be labeled a misogynist or a traitor. At Spoutblog, Karina Longworth gets a statement from Cuban, and Bowles comments at Movie City Indie. My review [...]

]]> By: Jurgen http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4266 Jurgen Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:04:03 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/2007/10/09/the-redacting-of-redacted/#comment-4266 It didn't strike me as a stunt, and I was especially interested in Kliot's remarks about Fair Use. I just uploaded <a href="http://jurgenfauth.com/2007/10/09/redacting-redacted/" rel="nofollow">video of the conference</a>. It didn’t strike me as a stunt, and I was especially interested in Kliot’s remarks about Fair Use. I just uploaded video of the conference.

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