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		<title>By: filmjourney.weblogger.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Moving Image Institute</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 17:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have been impeccable hosts, and genuinely care about the dialogue we&#8217;re generating about the divide between print critics and online critics, or the shrinking publicity market for smaller, more [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Shooting Down Pictures &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Moving Image Institute: Days 4, 5 and beyond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shooting Down Pictures &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Moving Image Institute: Days 4, 5 and beyond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was off the record (personally I don&#8217;t think anything discussed was terribly proprietary). Much has been made of the perceived antagonism between print institutions like the Times and the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: What Just Happened? To Cannes Trade Roughage 04/17/08 (Flix99.com)</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Just Happened? To Cannes Trade Roughage 04/17/08 (Flix99.com)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] course, in a session just the day before, the lead critic of the New York Times had all but loosened his tie in discomfort at the very [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Afghanistan Witch Project, Coming to Tribeca (Flix99.com)</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Afghanistan Witch Project, Coming to Tribeca (Flix99.com)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] marks the final day of the Moving Image Institute (see my previous coverage here and here), and though I&#8217;ve been taking copious notes, I&#8217;ve been too busy actually [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Various Happenings : Awards Daily 2008, Oscars, Oscar, Oscar Predictions, Academy Award News, and Oscar Buzz from Awards Daily, The Oscars, Oscar Watch, Academy Awards, Oscar Predictions, 80th Academy Awards ceremony, Oscar buzz all year round, the most p</title>
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		<description>[...] with bloggers and traditional journalists going head to head on various topics. Karina Longworth writes up her taking to task AO Scott. Gotta love Karina Longworth: But then Scott noted a certain distaste [...]</description>
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		<title>By: HarryTuttle</title>
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		<dc:creator>HarryTuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karina,
If in a time of financial crisis for print critics you consider a paying career in reviewing you're bound to be disapppointed. Obviously when newspapers can't afford to pay critics to write what readers don't care to read anymore, it's pointless to hope for a better economical model online. Anyway if you're worried about making a way of living out of this you need to lower your standards and sell out to where the money is.

I just think it's the wrong way to understand this crisis, to expect to keep the same privileges in an entirely different context. Maybe commenting movies was never an activity worth earning a salary... 
A.O. Scott drawing the line between paid critics and amateurs is symptomatic of the irrelevance of this professional discrimination! A salary doesn't make a good critic. The wide circulation of a newspaper (or a website) shouldn't make the influence of a critic either.

Cultural awareness and critical education of the audience are far more important issues for critics to confront and improve. I'm more worried about the global state of artistic productions in cinema in the long term, than about the jobs of a few individual critics in the short term... When cinema will do without reviews there will be no job at all for ALL critics!

This said, I agree with your comments on the "great divide", the absence of "level conversation" and "the pyramid".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karina,<br />
If in a time of financial crisis for print critics you consider a paying career in reviewing you&#8217;re bound to be disapppointed. Obviously when newspapers can&#8217;t afford to pay critics to write what readers don&#8217;t care to read anymore, it&#8217;s pointless to hope for a better economical model online. Anyway if you&#8217;re worried about making a way of living out of this you need to lower your standards and sell out to where the money is.</p>
<p>I just think it&#8217;s the wrong way to understand this crisis, to expect to keep the same privileges in an entirely different context. Maybe commenting movies was never an activity worth earning a salary&#8230;<br />
A.O. Scott drawing the line between paid critics and amateurs is symptomatic of the irrelevance of this professional discrimination! A salary doesn&#8217;t make a good critic. The wide circulation of a newspaper (or a website) shouldn&#8217;t make the influence of a critic either.</p>
<p>Cultural awareness and critical education of the audience are far more important issues for critics to confront and improve. I&#8217;m more worried about the global state of artistic productions in cinema in the long term, than about the jobs of a few individual critics in the short term&#8230; When cinema will do without reviews there will be no job at all for ALL critics!</p>
<p>This said, I agree with your comments on the &#8220;great divide&#8221;, the absence of &#8220;level conversation&#8221; and &#8220;the pyramid&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: John Damer</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Damer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone commented on how A.O. Scott and Jay Sherman, a.k.a. The Critic, look alike?  To me, this is hilarious, even if it isn't terribly thought-provoking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone commented on how A.O. Scott and Jay Sherman, a.k.a. The Critic, look alike?  To me, this is hilarious, even if it isn&#8217;t terribly thought-provoking.</p>
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		<title>By: badMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>badMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Mike, I don’t mean to imply that anyone ought to be waving around their authority with an air of superiority"

Josh: I know you didn't. I was just trying to say that that was going to be an unfortunate and difficult-to-avoid side effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mike, I don’t mean to imply that anyone ought to be waving around their authority with an air of superiority&#8221;</p>
<p>Josh: I know you didn&#8217;t. I was just trying to say that that was going to be an unfortunate and difficult-to-avoid side effect.</p>
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		<title>By: James McNally</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2008/04/12/moving-image-institute-day-one-the-divide/#comment-90730</link>
		<dc:creator>James McNally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 03:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, the question is whether anyone will be able to make a living writing about film. Because the barrier to entry is so low online, people get used to writing for free. Even many of the so-called "paid" blogging gigs pay a token amount ($15-20 for 200 words) while the people running ads on the site can potentially make much more than that.

I'm sure it's been true for a long time in the print world, but it seems true now more than ever that the people making money in publishing are rarely the writers.

Building a reputation online helps but it seems like a very different proposition than building a reputation as a print critic. Some of the print critics resent how someone can build up online credibility in what they consider a very short amount of time. Unfortunately, credibility doesn't pay the rent.

For those of you trying to make your living writing about film, I wish you good luck, but all I can see is a future of rapidly diminishing returns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, the question is whether anyone will be able to make a living writing about film. Because the barrier to entry is so low online, people get used to writing for free. Even many of the so-called &#8220;paid&#8221; blogging gigs pay a token amount ($15-20 for 200 words) while the people running ads on the site can potentially make much more than that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s been true for a long time in the print world, but it seems true now more than ever that the people making money in publishing are rarely the writers.</p>
<p>Building a reputation online helps but it seems like a very different proposition than building a reputation as a print critic. Some of the print critics resent how someone can build up online credibility in what they consider a very short amount of time. Unfortunately, credibility doesn&#8217;t pay the rent.</p>
<p>For those of you trying to make your living writing about film, I wish you good luck, but all I can see is a future of rapidly diminishing returns.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Bell</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2008/04/12/moving-image-institute-day-one-the-divide/#comment-90727</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 01:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I don't mean to imply that anyone ought to be waving around their authority with an air of superiority; all I mean is that when I'm searching around for a critic to read, I like that there are outlets and brands that I know I can trust. They don't have to be staid institutions, and they can earn their trust in different ways. But I think your Ebert example is actually a perfect illustration of this - I trust the Ebert "brand" enough that when he puts his stamp of approval on someone else (Jim Emerson, say), then I give that person the benefit of the doubt in a way that I wouldn't necessarily if I just stumbled across a random blog online. For people who don't have time to spend hours scouring blogs to separate the intelligent from the inane, gatekeepers of one sort or another will always be valuable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I don&#8217;t mean to imply that anyone ought to be waving around their authority with an air of superiority; all I mean is that when I&#8217;m searching around for a critic to read, I like that there are outlets and brands that I know I can trust. They don&#8217;t have to be staid institutions, and they can earn their trust in different ways. But I think your Ebert example is actually a perfect illustration of this - I trust the Ebert &#8220;brand&#8221; enough that when he puts his stamp of approval on someone else (Jim Emerson, say), then I give that person the benefit of the doubt in a way that I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily if I just stumbled across a random blog online. For people who don&#8217;t have time to spend hours scouring blogs to separate the intelligent from the inane, gatekeepers of one sort or another will always be valuable.</p>
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		<title>By: badMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>badMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott's comments re: print vs. the internet, i.e. many in print seeing it as a "vs." situation rather than a complementary one, doesn't seem to be limited to film criticism.

Print -- and TV -- reporters seem very hostile to political blogs especially in regards that the "common folk" can criticize their work. I don't understand that attitude of ever thinking that I'm above it all because I've earned the prestige for being associated with a brand name.

So, I don't agree with Josh at all that there needs to be any kind of "system" that anoints certain people with authority that they can wave around with their airs of superiority. I liked David Hudson's commentary on this post in which he talked about Roger Ebert, who is probably at the very top of the heap because he's always seemed so accessible, particularly in regards with having a strong Internet presence. He created his own "brand" independent of the Sun-Times. He's earned respect not because the Sun-Times or PBS bestowed it on him, but by just being visibly out there. What other A-level critic out there has a URL of just their name?

And one last note to Karina, to paraphrase an old saying: Your career is what happens while you're making your plans for one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott&#8217;s comments re: print vs. the internet, i.e. many in print seeing it as a &#8220;vs.&#8221; situation rather than a complementary one, doesn&#8217;t seem to be limited to film criticism.</p>
<p>Print &#8212; and TV &#8212; reporters seem very hostile to political blogs especially in regards that the &#8220;common folk&#8221; can criticize their work. I don&#8217;t understand that attitude of ever thinking that I&#8217;m above it all because I&#8217;ve earned the prestige for being associated with a brand name.</p>
<p>So, I don&#8217;t agree with Josh at all that there needs to be any kind of &#8220;system&#8221; that anoints certain people with authority that they can wave around with their airs of superiority. I liked David Hudson&#8217;s commentary on this post in which he talked about Roger Ebert, who is probably at the very top of the heap because he&#8217;s always seemed so accessible, particularly in regards with having a strong Internet presence. He created his own &#8220;brand&#8221; independent of the Sun-Times. He&#8217;s earned respect not because the Sun-Times or PBS bestowed it on him, but by just being visibly out there. What other A-level critic out there has a URL of just their name?</p>
<p>And one last note to Karina, to paraphrase an old saying: Your career is what happens while you&#8217;re making your plans for one.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amid all the hand wringing about the state and future of film criticism, this is one of the more interesting pieces Karina.

More than just giving a voice to people who don't hold the keys to the kingdom, I think the internet also is helping to break audiences into smaller camps of fandom. With the exception of the increasingly desperate blockbusters (about which critical opinion is meaningless), audiences for movies are shrinking below a level that can attract the giant readership required by the old-school monolithic publications. Are even the audiences of modestly successful critical darlings like No Country For Old Men big enough to support Time magazine or the NY Times?

The internet provides exposure for smaller movies and communties for people to talk about them, to say nothing of the raft of movie alternatives that are available. If distribution truly goes the way of the digital download, I think that'll really be the end of the old fashioned critic.

I don't think professional critics are going to go away though. Their mass influence may decrease, but the good writers who can adapt to the community aspect of the internet (and the lower pay resulting from smaller readerships) will thrive.

In fact, with the increased fragmentation, a good critic is more valuable than ever.

That was kind of a long, unplanned ramble. Sorry about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amid all the hand wringing about the state and future of film criticism, this is one of the more interesting pieces Karina.</p>
<p>More than just giving a voice to people who don&#8217;t hold the keys to the kingdom, I think the internet also is helping to break audiences into smaller camps of fandom. With the exception of the increasingly desperate blockbusters (about which critical opinion is meaningless), audiences for movies are shrinking below a level that can attract the giant readership required by the old-school monolithic publications. Are even the audiences of modestly successful critical darlings like No Country For Old Men big enough to support Time magazine or the NY Times?</p>
<p>The internet provides exposure for smaller movies and communties for people to talk about them, to say nothing of the raft of movie alternatives that are available. If distribution truly goes the way of the digital download, I think that&#8217;ll really be the end of the old fashioned critic.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think professional critics are going to go away though. Their mass influence may decrease, but the good writers who can adapt to the community aspect of the internet (and the lower pay resulting from smaller readerships) will thrive.</p>
<p>In fact, with the increased fragmentation, a good critic is more valuable than ever.</p>
<p>That was kind of a long, unplanned ramble. Sorry about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating post, Karina. It seems to me the issues here aren't unexpected, just variations on the time-worn theme of the (older) status quo and the (younger) challengers looking to both topple it and repopulate it with themselves. This is generational stuff that happens in every endeavor. There's also the fear factor -- major cultural presences like the NYT (whose revenues and subscription base are declining) are scared of what's happening in cyberspace. It's the threatening Great Unknown. The egalitarianism of the Web ("everybody's a critic!") is not welcome, as it threatens their brand, their prestige, and their bottom line. Regular readers of blogs know how the mainstream (print and TV) constantly tries to marginalize the blogs as amateurish, shrill, superficial, no fact checking, etc. I think we're in the middle of a paradigm shift and it's better to join in than to batten down the hatches and complain.

I see no defensible reason for Scott (whose writing I like) being unwilling to comment on a blog post. Everybody is busy and overextended these days, including bloggers, and everybody's time is as valuable as Scott's, so that's no excuse. "Royalty and rabble" sums it up well. And in fact, some of the best film criticism around is online-only or jointly disseminated by print and cyber. Ever check out the "a_film_by" yahoo group? Great stuff, though admittedly not mainstream.

Something to think about, too (though it may be anathema to the dream), is that for some of us, having a day job and writing film criticism on the side is a pretty good deal. Only a handful of people (a statistically insignificant number, undoubtedly) can make a full-time living doing this.

Thanks again for the post, Karina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating post, Karina. It seems to me the issues here aren&#8217;t unexpected, just variations on the time-worn theme of the (older) status quo and the (younger) challengers looking to both topple it and repopulate it with themselves. This is generational stuff that happens in every endeavor. There&#8217;s also the fear factor &#8212; major cultural presences like the NYT (whose revenues and subscription base are declining) are scared of what&#8217;s happening in cyberspace. It&#8217;s the threatening Great Unknown. The egalitarianism of the Web (&#8221;everybody&#8217;s a critic!&#8221;) is not welcome, as it threatens their brand, their prestige, and their bottom line. Regular readers of blogs know how the mainstream (print and TV) constantly tries to marginalize the blogs as amateurish, shrill, superficial, no fact checking, etc. I think we&#8217;re in the middle of a paradigm shift and it&#8217;s better to join in than to batten down the hatches and complain.</p>
<p>I see no defensible reason for Scott (whose writing I like) being unwilling to comment on a blog post. Everybody is busy and overextended these days, including bloggers, and everybody&#8217;s time is as valuable as Scott&#8217;s, so that&#8217;s no excuse. &#8220;Royalty and rabble&#8221; sums it up well. And in fact, some of the best film criticism around is online-only or jointly disseminated by print and cyber. Ever check out the &#8220;a_film_by&#8221; yahoo group? Great stuff, though admittedly not mainstream.</p>
<p>Something to think about, too (though it may be anathema to the dream), is that for some of us, having a day job and writing film criticism on the side is a pretty good deal. Only a handful of people (a statistically insignificant number, undoubtedly) can make a full-time living doing this.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the post, Karina.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Scott and Longworth may be roughly equal,"

huh? like most discussions about critics, this is pretty ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Scott and Longworth may be roughly equal,&#8221;</p>
<p>huh? like most discussions about critics, this is pretty ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 07:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who sort of straddles this divide (I'm on the print side of things, but I believe you and I are around the same age, Karina), I share your trepidation about what a positive outcome might even be. A few years ago it seemed clear that there was a pyramid (as David says) to work at ascending, and that by moving up to bigger and more prestigious publications I might one day get to, say, the A.O. Scott or David Ansen or Stephen Hunter level, and that would be the culmination of those years of hard work and building up clips and praise.

But now people at that level are being laid off and bought out left and right, and as much as I like reading A.O. Scott, I don't see more inherent value in reading him than in reading Karina Longworth. Both are providing valuable, interesting insights into film, both are cogent and smart writers, both have opinions I respect. Does it matter that one has the NY Times stamp of approval?

(To put it another way, is there more value in Matt Seitz's reviews for the Times than in his reviews for The House Next Door? Or in Jeannette Catsoulis's reviews for the Times over her reviews for Las Vegas CityLife? I know I prefer the latter in both cases.)

But at the same time I'm somewhat sympathetic to Scott's desire to keep the barbarians outside the gates, so to speak. Scott and Longworth may be roughly equal, but what about Scott and random IMDb commenter? Or Longworth and random IMDb commenter, for that matter? Karina, Spout is giving you a stamp of authority similar to Scott's, even if it's considered less prestigious (for now, at least). I think if we don't have some system that we can trust to validate content, then we're completely lost. (That doesn't have to be the NYT, of course - when Matt Seitz publishes a writer I've never heard of, I trust that person will be worth reading.)

Anyway, I don't have any answers either, and the only way I avoid existential freak-outs about the future of my career is not to think about it. But it's interesting that in the last few years, full-time print critic and full-time film blogger have become about equal in their appeal to me as possible future goals, and the way things are going, the latter may surpass the former very soon. I'm not sure what that means, but I'm glad that people like you and A.O. Scott are at least attempting to have a dialogue about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who sort of straddles this divide (I&#8217;m on the print side of things, but I believe you and I are around the same age, Karina), I share your trepidation about what a positive outcome might even be. A few years ago it seemed clear that there was a pyramid (as David says) to work at ascending, and that by moving up to bigger and more prestigious publications I might one day get to, say, the A.O. Scott or David Ansen or Stephen Hunter level, and that would be the culmination of those years of hard work and building up clips and praise.</p>
<p>But now people at that level are being laid off and bought out left and right, and as much as I like reading A.O. Scott, I don&#8217;t see more inherent value in reading him than in reading Karina Longworth. Both are providing valuable, interesting insights into film, both are cogent and smart writers, both have opinions I respect. Does it matter that one has the NY Times stamp of approval?</p>
<p>(To put it another way, is there more value in Matt Seitz&#8217;s reviews for the Times than in his reviews for The House Next Door? Or in Jeannette Catsoulis&#8217;s reviews for the Times over her reviews for Las Vegas CityLife? I know I prefer the latter in both cases.)</p>
<p>But at the same time I&#8217;m somewhat sympathetic to Scott&#8217;s desire to keep the barbarians outside the gates, so to speak. Scott and Longworth may be roughly equal, but what about Scott and random IMDb commenter? Or Longworth and random IMDb commenter, for that matter? Karina, Spout is giving you a stamp of authority similar to Scott&#8217;s, even if it&#8217;s considered less prestigious (for now, at least). I think if we don&#8217;t have some system that we can trust to validate content, then we&#8217;re completely lost. (That doesn&#8217;t have to be the NYT, of course - when Matt Seitz publishes a writer I&#8217;ve never heard of, I trust that person will be worth reading.)</p>
<p>Anyway, I don&#8217;t have any answers either, and the only way I avoid existential freak-outs about the future of my career is not to think about it. But it&#8217;s interesting that in the last few years, full-time print critic and full-time film blogger have become about equal in their appeal to me as possible future goals, and the way things are going, the latter may surpass the former very soon. I&#8217;m not sure what that means, but I&#8217;m glad that people like you and A.O. Scott are at least attempting to have a dialogue about it.</p>
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		<title>By: David Lowery</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2008/04/12/moving-image-institute-day-one-the-divide/#comment-90598</link>
		<dc:creator>David Lowery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 06:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...am I right in assuming that the Bingham Ray panel was very much worth attending?

This whole argument between the old guard and the new upstarts reminds me of similar struggle in the arena of filmmaking itself. There are the 'old fogeys' who stand by the sovereignty of  their tried and true methods even as the young bucks (often inadvertently) circumvent them. 

I love meeting the kids who share their predecessor's woes; the kid who &lt;i&gt;wants&lt;/i&gt; to be the next A.O. Scott and worries that, thanks to his peers, there won't be a pyramid to ascend to the top of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;am I right in assuming that the Bingham Ray panel was very much worth attending?</p>
<p>This whole argument between the old guard and the new upstarts reminds me of similar struggle in the arena of filmmaking itself. There are the &#8216;old fogeys&#8217; who stand by the sovereignty of  their tried and true methods even as the young bucks (often inadvertently) circumvent them. </p>
<p>I love meeting the kids who share their predecessor&#8217;s woes; the kid who <i>wants</i> to be the next A.O. Scott and worries that, thanks to his peers, there won&#8217;t be a pyramid to ascend to the top of.</p>
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