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		<title>By: Jessi</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/07/wall-e-and-politics/#comment-108350</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I would like to point out (not to the author here, of course, but to the believers of the propaganda) that Wall-E was already being made way before all this intense Presidential, Environmental and Economical shiz.

Ps. Loved the movie and thought it was adorable.  My boyfriend thought it was even better than Iron Man, Indiana Jones, The Hulk or Speed Racer.  He is a total movie junkie (insisted on advanced tickets for Dark Knight) and is FAR from anyone who cares about the environment or politics THAT much. Haha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I would like to point out (not to the author here, of course, but to the believers of the propaganda) that Wall-E was already being made way before all this intense Presidential, Environmental and Economical shiz.</p>
<p>Ps. Loved the movie and thought it was adorable.  My boyfriend thought it was even better than Iron Man, Indiana Jones, The Hulk or Speed Racer.  He is a total movie junkie (insisted on advanced tickets for Dark Knight) and is FAR from anyone who cares about the environment or politics THAT much. Haha.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessi</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/07/wall-e-and-politics/#comment-108349</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't believe it is propaganda at all.  In my opinion it is only a movie to entertain and possibly teach children to care for the environment and to get some freaking exercise!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe it is propaganda at all.  In my opinion it is only a movie to entertain and possibly teach children to care for the environment and to get some freaking exercise!</p>
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		<title>By: Diego Chupacabra</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/07/wall-e-and-politics/#comment-108346</link>
		<dc:creator>Diego Chupacabra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Artwork has helped change the course of politics and people's lives before. Think China. Think Barry Goldwater.

I hope the film does inspire kids to have a revolutioary mindset based on curiosity and love, the character WALL-E's defining qualities. A little bit of luck too.

Not that the system we live in is that bad but... people are dying in foreign countries, kids are dropping out of school and living in poverty and the temperature is rising.

I understand this blog isn't about the movie, so let me just comment on the revolution. I hope all of you will work peacefully. Working within our democratic system may also be wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artwork has helped change the course of politics and people&#8217;s lives before. Think China. Think Barry Goldwater.</p>
<p>I hope the film does inspire kids to have a revolutioary mindset based on curiosity and love, the character WALL-E&#8217;s defining qualities. A little bit of luck too.</p>
<p>Not that the system we live in is that bad but&#8230; people are dying in foreign countries, kids are dropping out of school and living in poverty and the temperature is rising.</p>
<p>I understand this blog isn&#8217;t about the movie, so let me just comment on the revolution. I hope all of you will work peacefully. Working within our democratic system may also be wise.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/07/wall-e-and-politics/#comment-108332</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wall-E totally looks like the robot from "Short Circuit"... minus the cheesy 80's style of course</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wall-E totally looks like the robot from &#8220;Short Circuit&#8221;&#8230; minus the cheesy 80&#8217;s style of course</p>
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		<title>By: Guz</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/07/wall-e-and-politics/#comment-108328</link>
		<dc:creator>Guz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep. Agreed with some people here that you really should know more about a topic before posting ANYTHING about anything that you yet don't know for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep. Agreed with some people here that you really should know more about a topic before posting ANYTHING about anything that you yet don&#8217;t know for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: cahya</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/07/wall-e-and-politics/#comment-107865</link>
		<dc:creator>cahya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 14:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your blog is very good.
Please give your advice for my blog.
Thanks and have a nice day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your blog is very good.<br />
Please give your advice for my blog.<br />
Thanks and have a nice day.</p>
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		<title>By: limeymcfrog</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/07/wall-e-and-politics/#comment-107854</link>
		<dc:creator>limeymcfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I say, and balu says, and nearly everyone posting at Awardsdaily is saying that you're missing the point due in large part to the fact that you haven't seen the movie.  It isn't about the quality of the film or your reaction to the film, it's the message of the film matched again with Rich's argument.  

The film is political, and it's the first film to make all this kumbaya, let's clean up the planet shit not seem sanctimonious and syrupy.  (remember the end of the "Tookarjobs" episode of South Park in which the begin to clean up the earth but abruptly stop because it was "gay",  in Wall-E, they actually make that ending work!)


Re-read Rich's column:  He never says that neither candidate knows about these issues or cares, he never claimed that the film was the magical answer to all our problems.  YOU put those words in Rich's mouth and then argued with them.  

I think the crux of his argument lies here: "a cartoon robot evokes America’s patriotic ideals with more conviction than either of the men who would be president."

It's a sad statement about politics, not a hyperbole about the power of film.  Rich is a political columnist and, yes, he's capitalizing on a film that millions of Americans saw and millions more will see before November.  But he's been around the block a few times, he knows that Wall-E can't change the world.  He hopes that the only two men that can change the world can inspire the denizens of earth to change their ways, like Wall-E did to the passengers of the Axiom.  A vain hope perhaps, but an apt point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I say, and balu says, and nearly everyone posting at Awardsdaily is saying that you&#8217;re missing the point due in large part to the fact that you haven&#8217;t seen the movie.  It isn&#8217;t about the quality of the film or your reaction to the film, it&#8217;s the message of the film matched again with Rich&#8217;s argument.  </p>
<p>The film is political, and it&#8217;s the first film to make all this kumbaya, let&#8217;s clean up the planet shit not seem sanctimonious and syrupy.  (remember the end of the &#8220;Tookarjobs&#8221; episode of South Park in which the begin to clean up the earth but abruptly stop because it was &#8220;gay&#8221;,  in Wall-E, they actually make that ending work!)</p>
<p>Re-read Rich&#8217;s column:  He never says that neither candidate knows about these issues or cares, he never claimed that the film was the magical answer to all our problems.  YOU put those words in Rich&#8217;s mouth and then argued with them.  </p>
<p>I think the crux of his argument lies here: &#8220;a cartoon robot evokes America’s patriotic ideals with more conviction than either of the men who would be president.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a sad statement about politics, not a hyperbole about the power of film.  Rich is a political columnist and, yes, he&#8217;s capitalizing on a film that millions of Americans saw and millions more will see before November.  But he&#8217;s been around the block a few times, he knows that Wall-E can&#8217;t change the world.  He hopes that the only two men that can change the world can inspire the denizens of earth to change their ways, like Wall-E did to the passengers of the Axiom.  A vain hope perhaps, but an apt point.</p>
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		<title>By: balu</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/07/wall-e-and-politics/#comment-107845</link>
		<dc:creator>balu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Karina,

if you watch the movie, you will understand what Rich is talking about. He is talking about simple human values, including "focus on our problems".  Wall-E does not have answers, but it has a funny robot who has more willingness to learn/solve a problem than our current blabbering mainstream media does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Karina,</p>
<p>if you watch the movie, you will understand what Rich is talking about. He is talking about simple human values, including &#8220;focus on our problems&#8221;.  Wall-E does not have answers, but it has a funny robot who has more willingness to learn/solve a problem than our current blabbering mainstream media does.</p>
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		<title>By: Karina Longworth</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/07/wall-e-and-politics/#comment-107843</link>
		<dc:creator>Karina Longworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The content of Wall-E itself doesn't matter to my argument, because I'm not making any judgement as to its quality or value. I'm merely annoyed by the way both sides––the various conservative bloggers and Rich––are capitalizing on the movie as a philosophic menace/savior. It's hyperbole anyway you slice it. In the case of Rich, it's an easy way out of actually making a political statement, and in the case of the bloggers, it's an example of herd mentality and a total unwillingness to actual engage in criticism of the film as a work of art.

My post does not pretend to be a work of criticism, it's not even really about the movie itself––it's about reactions to the movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The content of Wall-E itself doesn&#8217;t matter to my argument, because I&#8217;m not making any judgement as to its quality or value. I&#8217;m merely annoyed by the way both sides––the various conservative bloggers and Rich––are capitalizing on the movie as a philosophic menace/savior. It&#8217;s hyperbole anyway you slice it. In the case of Rich, it&#8217;s an easy way out of actually making a political statement, and in the case of the bloggers, it&#8217;s an example of herd mentality and a total unwillingness to actual engage in criticism of the film as a work of art.</p>
<p>My post does not pretend to be a work of criticism, it&#8217;s not even really about the movie itself––it&#8217;s about reactions to the movie.</p>
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		<title>By: limeymcfrog</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/07/wall-e-and-politics/#comment-107842</link>
		<dc:creator>limeymcfrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that the blogosphere runs second to second and that one must strike while the iron is hot, but posting before you've seen the film is pretty irresponsible.

(in less delicate terms: One's ass might have good accoustics, but that doesn't mean you should talk out of it)

Rich isn't saying that the candidates should be taking notes as to what Pixar is saying about economic or environmental policy, he's making an argument about values, focus, and message.  In THESE areas, politicians are (maybe, just maybe) less apt than a filmmaker.  

If you'd seen the film, you might have a better perspective, but please don't let that get in the way of a good sarcastic rant.  Lord knows there aren't enough of those out there.  And they TOTALLY change the world more than any stupid little movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that the blogosphere runs second to second and that one must strike while the iron is hot, but posting before you&#8217;ve seen the film is pretty irresponsible.</p>
<p>(in less delicate terms: One&#8217;s ass might have good accoustics, but that doesn&#8217;t mean you should talk out of it)</p>
<p>Rich isn&#8217;t saying that the candidates should be taking notes as to what Pixar is saying about economic or environmental policy, he&#8217;s making an argument about values, focus, and message.  In THESE areas, politicians are (maybe, just maybe) less apt than a filmmaker.  </p>
<p>If you&#8217;d seen the film, you might have a better perspective, but please don&#8217;t let that get in the way of a good sarcastic rant.  Lord knows there aren&#8217;t enough of those out there.  And they TOTALLY change the world more than any stupid little movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Randall Bennett</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/07/wall-e-and-politics/#comment-107836</link>
		<dc:creator>Randall Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Wall-e on July 4th, and while I do think it's somewhat reminscent of idiocracy and its "OMG WE'RE DUMBING DOWN AMERICA WITH CORPORATIONS" tone, but beneath the surface Wall-E was a really enjoyable film. Having a movie with nearly NO dialogue and keeping a great pacing throughout isn't something just anyone could accomplish.

I'll take a film that's only one level above a popcorn flick on the 4th of july.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Wall-e on July 4th, and while I do think it&#8217;s somewhat reminscent of idiocracy and its &#8220;OMG WE&#8217;RE DUMBING DOWN AMERICA WITH CORPORATIONS&#8221; tone, but beneath the surface Wall-E was a really enjoyable film. Having a movie with nearly NO dialogue and keeping a great pacing throughout isn&#8217;t something just anyone could accomplish.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take a film that&#8217;s only one level above a popcorn flick on the 4th of july.</p>
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		<title>By: A Counter Viewpoint</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/07/wall-e-and-politics/#comment-107834</link>
		<dc:creator>A Counter Viewpoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Longworth takes issue more with Frank Rich writing the piece on Wall-E than with the piece, or the message: I haven’t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Longworth takes issue more with Frank Rich writing the piece on Wall-E than with the piece, or the message: I haven’t [...]</p>
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