Comments on: A Cinema of Loneliness: How WALL-E Was Ruined By Its Score http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/25/a-cinema-of-loneliness-how-wall-e-was-ruined-by-its-score/ Daily coverage of what is truly interesting in the film world Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:51:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: JP http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/25/a-cinema-of-loneliness-how-wall-e-was-ruined-by-its-score/#comment-128744 JP Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:36:25 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/?p=3485#comment-128744 Steven, I could not disagree more brother. In fact, it's kind of funny but, I have almost the exact opposite opinion of the movie and score. After seeing WALL-E in the theatres, I was pretty disappointed overall, especially by the films dullness due to lack of dialog, and I'm a huge PIXAR fan and have been since Luxo Jr. I know it was intended to be a display of animation genius, which it was. As far as the score, I didn't think anything of it until I put WALL-E on to fall asleep to because of the fact that it has little dialog. After a night or 2 of falling asleep to WALL-E, I began to notice the subtle score or more importantly, the score mixed with the sound design. If you listen to WALL-E without watching it, you will notice the seamless mix of sound design, score and soundtrack featuring artists such as, Louis Armstrong and Peter Gabriel, that drift smoothly in and out of the mix. This has definitely inspired me as an electronic music artist and DJ. I suppose everyone has a different perspective and that's one of the things that makes this world great. I guess expectations have a lot to do with our perception as well. I do agree with you that there are times in the film that I wish I could mute just the score and let the sound design and soundtrack shine through. Overall, I've really come to appreciate the film in a new light, especially musically. Plus, it's loaded with samples. Hehe. Nice blog though! I'll bookmark ya! Peace JP Steven,

I could not disagree more brother. In fact, it’s kind of funny but, I have almost the exact opposite opinion of the movie and score. After seeing WALL-E in the theatres, I was pretty disappointed overall, especially by the films dullness due to lack of dialog, and I’m a huge PIXAR fan and have been since Luxo Jr.

I know it was intended to be a display of animation genius, which it was. As far as the score, I didn’t think anything of it until I put WALL-E on to fall asleep to because of the fact that it has little dialog. After a night or 2 of falling asleep to WALL-E, I began to notice the subtle score or more importantly, the score mixed with the sound design. If you listen to WALL-E without watching it, you will notice the seamless mix of sound design, score and soundtrack featuring artists such as, Louis Armstrong and Peter Gabriel, that drift smoothly in and out of the mix.

This has definitely inspired me as an electronic music artist and DJ. I suppose everyone has a different perspective and that’s one of the things that makes this world great. I guess expectations have a lot to do with our perception as well.

I do agree with you that there are times in the film that I wish I could mute just the score and let the sound design and soundtrack shine through. Overall, I’ve really come to appreciate the film in a new light, especially musically. Plus, it’s loaded with samples. Hehe.

Nice blog though! I’ll bookmark ya!

Peace

JP

]]> By: Kaleb Davis http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/25/a-cinema-of-loneliness-how-wall-e-was-ruined-by-its-score/#comment-118867 Kaleb Davis Fri, 26 Dec 2008 20:15:53 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/?p=3485#comment-118867 Psychology - We except information as good or bad based upon our personal experiences. I see the score for Wall-e as beautiful and inspiring, another wonderful accomplishment. I don't feel that the score would support the idea behind the movie any better if it were changed, but that is afterall my opinion and in our society everyone is entitled to their opinions, I'm simply displeased when people have to take an over bias opinion and think they have to share it with the world. I enterpreted the movie as I would for myself. Psychology - We except information as good or bad based upon our personal experiences. I see the score for Wall-e as beautiful and inspiring, another wonderful accomplishment. I don’t feel that the score would support the idea behind the movie any better if it were changed, but that is afterall my opinion and in our society everyone is entitled to their opinions, I’m simply displeased when people have to take an over bias opinion and think they have to share it with the world. I enterpreted the movie as I would for myself.

]]> By: Jordan http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/25/a-cinema-of-loneliness-how-wall-e-was-ruined-by-its-score/#comment-109738 Jordan Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:00:27 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/?p=3485#comment-109738 "Matter of fact Wall-E had the worst flow on the whole fucking song, but I know, 'waa-ba-beep, waa-ba-beep'" “Matter of fact Wall-E had the worst flow on the whole fucking song, but I know, ‘waa-ba-beep, waa-ba-beep’”

]]> By: SB http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/25/a-cinema-of-loneliness-how-wall-e-was-ruined-by-its-score/#comment-109432 SB Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:39:58 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/?p=3485#comment-109432 Odie, that was brilliant. Not to pigeonhole the average Spout reader, but I wonder if anybody besides me recognizes the reference/brilliance of that idea. Odie, that was brilliant. Not to pigeonhole the average Spout reader, but I wonder if anybody besides me recognizes the reference/brilliance of that idea.

]]> By: odienator http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/25/a-cinema-of-loneliness-how-wall-e-was-ruined-by-its-score/#comment-109394 odienator Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:45:21 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/?p=3485#comment-109394 I think they should mash WALL-E up with the QB's Finest song "Oochie Wally." Maybe have EVE singing it in the YouTube video. EVE: "Oochie WALL-E WALL-E. Oochie bang bang!" (Blows up something) But that's just me. I think they should mash WALL-E up with the QB’s Finest song “Oochie Wally.” Maybe have EVE singing it in the YouTube video.

EVE: “Oochie WALL-E WALL-E. Oochie bang bang!” (Blows up something)

But that’s just me.

]]> By: SB http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/25/a-cinema-of-loneliness-how-wall-e-was-ruined-by-its-score/#comment-109387 SB Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:32:42 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/?p=3485#comment-109387 Oh, and I WILL show you plebes how it's done one day. Watch youtube, watch the skies! Oh, and I WILL show you plebes how it’s done one day. Watch youtube, watch the skies!

]]> By: SB http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/25/a-cinema-of-loneliness-how-wall-e-was-ruined-by-its-score/#comment-109386 SB Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:24:00 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/?p=3485#comment-109386 James, I dunno about Wu Tang, but I could imagine some trippy RZA tracks, like "Marvel" from Ghostface's Iron Man album, sans vocals. Ooh, howbout Outkast's "Ghetto Musick"? My point is, if going score-less is not an option, it would be great at least to see the music go as wide and deep as the sound design. I support your right to defend Ho'wood's safe choices, but in this case I feel the score exists primarily to keep the audience to a tidy schedule, their emotions at a prudent, predictable level. Scores can be great and vital. Ask Mr. wall-to-wall, John Williams. ET minus his intimate, intricately tailored score is almost inconceivable. Likewise the prospect of an ET 2 would be sacrilege. But it's pretty easy to imagine Wall-E the Third. Another day at the mill. James,

I dunno about Wu Tang, but I could imagine some trippy RZA tracks, like “Marvel” from Ghostface’s Iron Man album, sans vocals. Ooh, howbout Outkast’s “Ghetto Musick”? My point is, if going score-less is not an option, it would be great at least to see the music go as wide and deep as the sound design.

I support your right to defend Ho’wood’s safe choices, but in this case I feel the score exists primarily to keep the audience to a tidy schedule, their emotions at a prudent, predictable level.

Scores can be great and vital. Ask Mr. wall-to-wall, John Williams. ET minus his intimate, intricately tailored score is almost inconceivable. Likewise the prospect of an ET 2 would be sacrilege. But it’s pretty easy to imagine Wall-E the Third. Another day at the mill.

]]> By: James http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/25/a-cinema-of-loneliness-how-wall-e-was-ruined-by-its-score/#comment-109164 James Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:41:30 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/?p=3485#comment-109164 Boone, if you want to comment on a score for a film try and find out what you're talking about. You don't know jack sh*t about music let alone film music. To criticise a composer like Newman and claim the score hurt the film shows that you are out of your element. What would you propose in it's stead? Ravis Shankar? Yeah, right. Most scores are unnecessary? Most scores aren't good because we have little twits like you telling us they want Wu Tang music in the most inappropriate place possible. Like most wet-behind-the-ears nobodies who couldn't make a commercial let alone a feature film you have no talent but love tearing down that which you don't understand. Go make your own film and show us plebes how to use music in film properly. Boone, if you want to comment on a score for a film try and find out what you’re talking about. You don’t know jack sh*t about music let alone film music. To criticise a composer like Newman and claim the score hurt the film shows that you are out of your element. What would you propose in it’s stead? Ravis Shankar? Yeah, right.
Most scores are unnecessary? Most scores aren’t good because we have little twits like you telling us they want Wu Tang music in the most inappropriate place possible.
Like most wet-behind-the-ears nobodies who couldn’t make a commercial let alone a feature film you have no talent but love tearing down that which you don’t understand.
Go make your own film and show us plebes how to use music in film properly.

]]> By: SB http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/25/a-cinema-of-loneliness-how-wall-e-was-ruined-by-its-score/#comment-108969 SB Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:49:15 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/?p=3485#comment-108969 I agree, Yellow Calx, that most scores are unnecessary, but they are a way of policing and simplifying audience responses. Okay, but why such generic choices? When the WALL-E DVD comes out, I want to mash it up with Ravi Shankar's music for World of Apu and Leon Thomas' yodel-and-groan cover of Gypsy Queen. I agree, Yellow Calx, that most scores are unnecessary, but they are a way of policing and simplifying audience responses.

Okay, but why such generic choices?

When the WALL-E DVD comes out, I want to mash it up with Ravi Shankar’s music for World of Apu and Leon Thomas’ yodel-and-groan cover of Gypsy Queen.

]]> By: Yellow Calx http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/25/a-cinema-of-loneliness-how-wall-e-was-ruined-by-its-score/#comment-108842 Yellow Calx Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:37:01 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/?p=3485#comment-108842 I thought the score that accompanies Wall-E's arrival at the space station was one of the most amazing compositions I've heard in a movie since... "There Will Be Blood", probably. Don't know about the rest of the score, though. I usually say 90% of the score in most movies is completely unnecessary, but I didn't really mind it in "Wall-E". I thought the score that accompanies Wall-E’s arrival at the space station was one of the most amazing compositions I’ve heard in a movie since… “There Will Be Blood”, probably.

Don’t know about the rest of the score, though. I usually say 90% of the score in most movies is completely unnecessary, but I didn’t really mind it in “Wall-E”.

]]> By: crees http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/25/a-cinema-of-loneliness-how-wall-e-was-ruined-by-its-score/#comment-108837 crees Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:35:33 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/?p=3485#comment-108837 If I was feeling more English-majory today, I'd argue that the cloying score actually makes WALLE-E even more subversive by appropriating the very tools of the capitalist/consumerist/bourgeois entertainment machine, blah blah blah, this cupcake in a cup isn't going to drink itself. If I was feeling more English-majory today, I’d argue that the cloying score actually makes WALLE-E even more subversive by appropriating the very tools of the capitalist/consumerist/bourgeois entertainment machine, blah blah blah, this cupcake in a cup isn’t going to drink itself.

]]> By: Fritz Godard http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/25/a-cinema-of-loneliness-how-wall-e-was-ruined-by-its-score/#comment-108794 Fritz Godard Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:05:04 +0000 http://blog.spout.com/?p=3485#comment-108794 Valid point. Score has become the filmmaker’s best friend when it comes to masking mistakes, or in this case muting the impact. Viva la sound design! Viva creative chances! Valid point. Score has become the filmmaker’s best friend when it comes to masking mistakes, or in this case muting the impact. Viva la sound design! Viva creative chances!

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