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Religulous and Deceptive Documentary Tactics

Karina Longworth
By Karina Longworth posted 1 year ago
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How did Bill Maher and Larry Charles get religious figures to agree to be interviewed on camera by the notoriously hostile-towards-religion Maher for their upcoming doc Religulous? According to an interview the comedian gave Patrick Goldstein, they didn’t:

It was simple: We never, ever, used my name. We never told anybody it was me who was going to do the interviews. We even had a fake title for the film. We called it ‘A Spiritual Journey.’ … The crew would set up and at the last second, when the cameras were already rolling, I would show up. So either they’d be seen on camera leaving the interview and lose face or they’d have to talk to me. It was like–’And now here’s … Bill!’ You could usually see the troubled looks on their faces.

This method calls to mind two recent films: the Charles-directed Borat, which used these deceptive documentary tactics within the framework of fiction, and Expelled. The extent to which the producers and star Ben Stein misled some of their interview subjects caused a minor firestorm––which didn’t do anything bad for the film’s box office, but certainly damaged the credibility of the filmmakers and their argument.

I’m fairly certain Bill Maher doesn’t care about ethical credibility––he’s probably primarily concerned with getting a punchline by any means necessary. But *I’m* kind of concerned about this growing trend of deception in ostensible non-fiction. Or maybe I just didn’t think Borat was that funny. Thoughts?

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  • ScreenRant.com said

    Karina,

    I’m with you - I *really* don’t like that sort of thing. People jumped all over the guy who appeared in Borat and sued, but I don’t blame him one bit.

    The scene where Borat was invited to dinner at someone’s home in the film was particularly disturbing.

    Vic

  • poploser said

    You’re right. Borat wasn’t funny.

  • Erin D. said

    This seems like something that falls under the category of Tacky But Legal.

    Hopefully it’s something that the transparency of the internet and threats of lawsuits will keep in check.

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  • Adrian Corscadden said

    I think in this case the end justifies the means. This movie is going to be hilarious.

  • ERic said

    This really sours the film for me. I like Bill Maher and I’m an atheist, but misleading interviewee’s is unacceptable and makes the filmmakers no better than those that made Expelled.

    Sure, unlike Expelled, this will be funny but I’d like to see good arguments from Maher that are funny AND properly solicited.

  • blah said

    so he got the interview under false pretense, but not the content.

    not exactly the same as borat or expelled, in which the interviewee was not aware of the real intent of the interview until it hit the big screen

  • Evan said

    While I thought Expelled was ridiculous, I’d also note that Bill isn’t trying to get the world to believe that a Jewish Zombie is responsible for life, the universe, and everything.

    He’s a comedian, he set out to make a funny film. I thought Borat was genius, and worked perfectly. Wow, you didn’t think it was funny? The naked wrestling scene is probably in my Top 5 I-Almost-Died-Laughing moments.

    As for the tactics to get people on camera, I think I’d rather see the flick (shocking!) than pre-judge it based on its interview methodology.

  • BlackInfidel said

    Borat not funny? Just thinking about it makes me laugh out loud.

    I have no problem with Maher or SBC’s tactics in a society where people simply refuse to be honest and open about what they really think.

    We are so used to having these perfectly manicured statements about everything we think and believe. It is nearly impossible to get any sort of candor from anyone. When we do, we crush, criticize and soundbite them to death.

    Journalists have been doing ambush interview for decades to catch people off guard and maybe get some “real” info.

    I think both perspectives are correct. It is shady to interview people under false pretenses, but that doesn’t mean it is not funny, effective, or necessary depending on the topic and interviewer. Ultimately, how the material is edited and presented will decide how fair or unscrupulous the interviewer/director/producer/studio is.

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  • John said

    This film couldn’t exist by any other approach. For the few people that might have agreed to be interviewed by Bill Maher they would be prepared for a much different discussion and it wouldn’t have been as candid as it was.
    That candid aspect is what makes these movies great. To confront someone when they know what’s coming doesn’t make for nearly as entertaining an experience.

  • Tired but Patient said

    I don’t think it really matters what tactic they used to shoot the film. Those people who spoke on behalf were given an opportunity to give compelling stories. It couldn’t possibly be that half the things they said were good and the other half insane and then have the good half edited out. They never refuted that words were edited out!

    Once you make a contradictory statement it throws out the ENTIRE argument. Guess what, most people aren’t as smart or clever as they make themselves out to be, especially once they start to speak of their true thoughts. If you hold other peoples lives at stake you better be ready to speak on behalf of them no matter whos the interviewer.

    This was a hard documentary to shoot. Of course no body would want to speak to Bill Maher if they knew who he was, they could get caught in a lie and have to face reality.

    Point being, if the persons being “tricked” into being interviewed had nothing to fear and were confident enough about their occupation and something as important as religion, they could speak to anyone, especially if they hold a higher degree of responsibility within that organization. Its not like words (which is the most important thing beyond camera angles) were put in their mouths, they said what they really said.

    simply put.

  • Pluto Animus said

    So, once the interview subjects saw that it was Bill Maher, they were physically incapable of saying, “On second thought, there will be no interview”? How did he do that — did he use his atheist magical powers?
    No, the interview subjects knew that cancelling the interview at that point would have revealed their cowardice. No “ethical lapse” here.
    I guess you just didn’t think it through, Ms. Longworth. Next time, try using your brain!

  • Nathan said

    But if you watch the film, you see that, in a way, the title really wasn’t that misleading. It is not Bill’s quest to descredit religion, but rather an attempt for him to understand it. He doesn’t consider himself an athiest, but as someone who just doesn’t know, and can’t understand everyone else’s blind certainty. Ofcourse he couldn’t tell them that he was going to be interviewing them, they would not have done it, but that doesn’t mean he was dishonest. Withholding information, and lieing are two very different things.

  • Glen Davidson said

    I’m going to just have to say that I agree. I didn’t make much of the tactics of “Expelled” since I don’t expect much honesty from that faction anyhow. But I didn’t think well of them either.

    And although I don’t consider myself an atheist (I don’t believe in god, but it’s more complex than that), I do think those speaking up for secular society ought to demonstrate from their own actions that it is honesty that leads them away from dogma. This isn’t a movie that I would praise–due to its deceptive tactics.

    Nevertheless, since title for most successful documentary of 08 is between two deceptive films, I wouldn’t deny that I look forward to next weekend when Religulous will (almost certainly) surpass Expelled’s total. It’s like the election, you want the less bad one to win.

    Glen Davidson
    http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7

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  • Faith19 said

    Maher or Charles did edit out and added in words that made some of the interviews funny and the subjects look stupid. The whole fims was deceitful and the law suits are coming. Even voice over mchines were used in some spots.

  • Oxbowisamstie said

    Well, Bill didn’t lie to them about the project? Did he? No, unfortunately the makers of “the Crossroads of science and religion” did lie to those they interviewed. What film is that? Google it, i like the shock and awe value.

  • Miranda said

    Amazing MOVIE loved it

  • J.H. said

    I’m a fan of Bill Maher and look forward to seeing the film… I’m also a relatively well educated person who is a follower of Jesus Christ.

    There’s absolutely nothing wrong with asking tough questions about Christ. In fact, 1 Peter says to be “ready always to give answer to
    every man that asks you a reason concerning the hope that is in you.”

    I can’t speak to the movie until I’ve seen it, but I do note that Maher tends to have a tendancy to select less than the best commentators to represent Christianity on his show. They give great sound bites, but not necessarily the clearest presentation of what Christianity is. I’ll let Muslim, Morman, etc followers speak on Maher’s treatment of their beliefs.

    I’d also like to note that Athiesm is a belief system, just as Christianity is. Each of us has faith that what we believe is truth, and merely because Maher is not Christian does not mean that the film does not have a bias or an axe to grind.

    I’m looking forward to seeing the film, but we can create laughter and dialogue in ways that are honest and show love/respect for all parties. That too is a Biblical teaching.

    Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbour (Eph 4:15a).

  • Harold Niebel said

    March 10, 2009
    Tuesday

    Mr. William Maher –

    You have an awesome wit. You are also great in espousing your philosophy of the meaning of our existence. Your film “Religulous” demonstrates the truth of this statement. Please consider the following:

    Agnosticism is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims — particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of deities, ghosts, or even ultimate reality — is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently impossible to prove or disprove.

    You are familiar with “Religulous” your production. I watched it – well done.

    Minimax (sometimes minmax) is a decision rule used in decision theory, game theory, statistics and philosophy for minimizing the maximum possible loss. Alternatively, it can be thought of as maximizing the minimum gain (maximin). It has been extended to more complex games and to general decision making in the presence of uncertainty.

    “The minimax approach to designing experiments applies to the Weibull and lognormal regression models used in accelerated life testing (ALT).” In other words, minimize your maximum potential loss. Cover your bases as best you can.

    Around 93 AD., Josephus published “Jewish Antiquities,” a history of the Jews in twenty books. Though not a prominent subject of his writing, John the Baptist, Jesus of Nazareth, and Jesus’ brother James are all mentioned in “Jewish Antiquities.” This represents the earliest historical record of Jesus from a historian.

    “There are numerous things that we know of now that we did not know of before. There are many new phenomena that we have either discovered, or can now be accurately described.” Josephus gives us a starting point to avoid circular reasoning, i.e., the Bible is true because the Bible says the Bible is true.

    A challenge – get outside of your comfort zone. Read: “Understanding the New Testament” by Howard Clark Kee and/or “Understanding the Old Testament” by Bernhard Anderson. Both works are introductory yet scholarly.

    If you want to put the energy into study that you put into producing “Religulous” then move on to “An Introduction to the New Testament” by Raymond Brown and/or “Introduction to the Old Testament” by R.K. Harrison. After watching your production I am confident that you would relate to these works. But study is work.

    With Respect,
    Hal Niebel
    ontrd1@verizon.net

  • Meg said

    I just finished watching the film and I appreciated it very much. I don’t think there are any ‘ethical credibility’ problems when it comes to Maher’s interview tactics. Personally, I do not find it entertaining to see people put in those types of awkward situations. However, I do believe that when someone is a leader in their religion, or even the lay person, then they should not have a problem speaking candidly about their religious ideals and values. Being “put-on-the-spot” is important for this documentary because it seeks raw opinions and not rehearsed rhetoric.

    This film is smart and needed. I am like Maher in my beliefs and it is refreshing to know that I am not the only on. I have faith in a higher power but I am rational. Religion is more of a problem for me than it is a solution. What would the world be like if we could all just have rational conversations about these topics and then go have a beer together afterward with no animosity toward each other?

    Cheers to that :)