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		<title>By: Steven Boone</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2008/09/29/barack-obamas-white-christmas/#comment-115070</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Boone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cap4life,

Yes, this misleading sentence continues to give me grief. Yes, like the rest of the world, I know Obama's heritage well. (Incidentally, my own Kenyan brother-in-law keeps me up on the country's history, politics and culture, compounding the irony.)

See the addendum at the bottom of the post . Finally, we just decided to strike through the offending phrase instead of changing it, in the interest of transparency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cap4life,</p>
<p>Yes, this misleading sentence continues to give me grief. Yes, like the rest of the world, I know Obama&#8217;s heritage well. (Incidentally, my own Kenyan brother-in-law keeps me up on the country&#8217;s history, politics and culture, compounding the irony.)</p>
<p>See the addendum at the bottom of the post . Finally, we just decided to strike through the offending phrase instead of changing it, in the interest of transparency.</p>
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		<title>By: cap4life</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2008/09/29/barack-obamas-white-christmas/#comment-115028</link>
		<dc:creator>cap4life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Partial descendant of slaves?  Obama's father was directly from Kenya, as I'm sure you know.  To clarify, Obama is half white, half African not half black American which makes him not a descendant of slaves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Partial descendant of slaves?  Obama&#8217;s father was directly from Kenya, as I&#8217;m sure you know.  To clarify, Obama is half white, half African not half black American which makes him not a descendant of slaves.</p>
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		<title>By: pisher</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2008/09/29/barack-obamas-white-christmas/#comment-114802</link>
		<dc:creator>pisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven, I'm a longtime Fuller fan, and there's much in White Dog I admire--but it does NOT work the way Shock Corridor does, and I'm sorry--it just doesn't connect the way Gary's book did--White Dog the book was a best seller in American and Europe.   

Shock Corridor and Fuller's other best films are pure cinema--his technique is wonderful, his scripts are (let's face it) hokey, and somehow it all comes together, and you ignore the failings for the virtues.

White Dog just wimps out in so many ways--it's all about racism, but WHERE ARE THE RACISTS?   The dog has to carry all the weight of hate, and the dog is just a victim.  In the book, he's actually portrayed as  very noble being, who has had a horrible trick played on him.   

There is reverse racism, Ryland, but that doesn't mean you know what it's like to suffer from racism, because we still live in a world (our little piece of it anyway)  where being white is 'normal', and everything else is 'ethnic'.   

So anyway, the movie is worth seeing, but the book is something nobody should miss out on reading.   It shows you the very worst in human nature, but it also holds out some hope--some people are immune to the virus.   And dogs--man, dogs love everybody, given half a chance.   It's the most horrible betrayal to try and make them hate.   We need to let them train US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven, I&#8217;m a longtime Fuller fan, and there&#8217;s much in White Dog I admire&#8211;but it does NOT work the way Shock Corridor does, and I&#8217;m sorry&#8211;it just doesn&#8217;t connect the way Gary&#8217;s book did&#8211;White Dog the book was a best seller in American and Europe.   </p>
<p>Shock Corridor and Fuller&#8217;s other best films are pure cinema&#8211;his technique is wonderful, his scripts are (let&#8217;s face it) hokey, and somehow it all comes together, and you ignore the failings for the virtues.</p>
<p>White Dog just wimps out in so many ways&#8211;it&#8217;s all about racism, but WHERE ARE THE RACISTS?   The dog has to carry all the weight of hate, and the dog is just a victim.  In the book, he&#8217;s actually portrayed as  very noble being, who has had a horrible trick played on him.   </p>
<p>There is reverse racism, Ryland, but that doesn&#8217;t mean you know what it&#8217;s like to suffer from racism, because we still live in a world (our little piece of it anyway)  where being white is &#8216;normal&#8217;, and everything else is &#8216;ethnic&#8217;.   </p>
<p>So anyway, the movie is worth seeing, but the book is something nobody should miss out on reading.   It shows you the very worst in human nature, but it also holds out some hope&#8211;some people are immune to the virus.   And dogs&#8211;man, dogs love everybody, given half a chance.   It&#8217;s the most horrible betrayal to try and make them hate.   We need to let them train US.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Boone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Boone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pisher,

I wouldn't look to &lt;i&gt;White Dog&lt;/i&gt; to "tackle" anything in a literal or even coherent manner. To me, in 2008, it plays as a dream. It's bonkers, man. Just as cracked/ludicrous as the bald, brawling hooker in &lt;i&gt;Naked Kiss&lt;/i&gt;, as the nymphos and loons in &lt;i&gt;Shock Corridor&lt;/i&gt;, as Gene Evans zombie-staggering through the gunsmoke in &lt;i&gt;The Steel Helmet&lt;/i&gt;, as Vincent Price slithering through the entirety of &lt;i&gt;The Baron of Arizona.&lt;/i&gt; And just as piercingly "true."

In that sense, Ry, I always thought Spike shared some genes with Fuller: A tabloid style, every moment in capital letters, never a whisper when a shriek will do. A penchant for ripped-from-the-headlines screen stories, America in chaotic microcosm, etc. Just that Fuller's madness always seems more purposeful, thoughtful and less opportunistic than Spike's-- &lt;i&gt;Do the Right Thing&lt;/i&gt; notwithstanding. I always thought &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; flick and &lt;i&gt;Shock Corridor&lt;/i&gt; belong on an eternal double bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pisher,</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t look to <i>White Dog</i> to &#8220;tackle&#8221; anything in a literal or even coherent manner. To me, in 2008, it plays as a dream. It&#8217;s bonkers, man. Just as cracked/ludicrous as the bald, brawling hooker in <i>Naked Kiss</i>, as the nymphos and loons in <i>Shock Corridor</i>, as Gene Evans zombie-staggering through the gunsmoke in <i>The Steel Helmet</i>, as Vincent Price slithering through the entirety of <i>The Baron of Arizona.</i> And just as piercingly &#8220;true.&#8221;</p>
<p>In that sense, Ry, I always thought Spike shared some genes with Fuller: A tabloid style, every moment in capital letters, never a whisper when a shriek will do. A penchant for ripped-from-the-headlines screen stories, America in chaotic microcosm, etc. Just that Fuller&#8217;s madness always seems more purposeful, thoughtful and less opportunistic than Spike&#8217;s&#8211; <i>Do the Right Thing</i> notwithstanding. I always thought <i>that</i> flick and <i>Shock Corridor</i> belong on an eternal double bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryland Walker Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryland Walker Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I still am white, and haven't stopped being white since that encounter happened. But, yea, I think there's got to be some "reverse racism" on screen. Haven't seen that Loach picture but I've seen _Do The Right Thing_... does that count? I think the Bird fan has it coming -- what the fuck do you expect, son? -- but that's pretty tame... I don't know. Spike is a weirdo. I saw _Half Nelson_ a little while ago because my friend insisted and I was struck by how present it felt, how the complexities of negotiating those (convoluted, kinda silly) relationships didn't feel _too_ forced. That and I just liked any scene with Anthony Mackie. Isn't he a star yet? He should be; he's the realness. Even in those weird Spike thudders he starred in, he shined bright enough to buoy the wacky tactics of the filmmaking. ----This has strayed. The point, maybe, is that it's about singular experiences. PBS-CNN starch is only ever a generalization coupled with a furrowed brow and a "knowing" nod. Fuck that. Faces get slapped, punched; shins get kicked. Words don't make sense. You just try to navigate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I still am white, and haven&#8217;t stopped being white since that encounter happened. But, yea, I think there&#8217;s got to be some &#8220;reverse racism&#8221; on screen. Haven&#8217;t seen that Loach picture but I&#8217;ve seen _Do The Right Thing_&#8230; does that count? I think the Bird fan has it coming &#8212; what the fuck do you expect, son? &#8212; but that&#8217;s pretty tame&#8230; I don&#8217;t know. Spike is a weirdo. I saw _Half Nelson_ a little while ago because my friend insisted and I was struck by how present it felt, how the complexities of negotiating those (convoluted, kinda silly) relationships didn&#8217;t feel _too_ forced. That and I just liked any scene with Anthony Mackie. Isn&#8217;t he a star yet? He should be; he&#8217;s the realness. Even in those weird Spike thudders he starred in, he shined bright enough to buoy the wacky tactics of the filmmaking. &#8212;-This has strayed. The point, maybe, is that it&#8217;s about singular experiences. PBS-CNN starch is only ever a generalization coupled with a furrowed brow and a &#8220;knowing&#8221; nod. Fuck that. Faces get slapped, punched; shins get kicked. Words don&#8217;t make sense. You just try to navigate.</p>
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		<title>By: pisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>pisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I already saw the movie at Film Forum, some time back.   It's got some powerful moments, but it doesn't really tackle racism all that directly--in the entire course of the film, you meet exactly ONE racist--the old white guy who trained the dog.

There is no such thing as a racist animal, of course.   The dog is PREJUDICED--his trainer conditions him to believe this type of person represents a threat, and of course he believes it--he's got no basis for believing otherwise.   What's our excuse?   We rationalize our faulty emotional reactions, but a dog can't do that, so a dog can't be racist.   

The Romain Gary book is much better--and shows you all different kinds of racism.   Fuller didn't really confront the problem fully--which is that racism begets racism.   If the ending of Fuller's movie makes no sense--and it doesn't--it's because he knew he couldn't get away with the ending from Gary's book.   In any event, Fuller only uses Gary's semi-autobiographical work as a jumping off point--all that's left is the idea of a dog that hates black people.   Who btw, was not a White German Shepherd in real life.   

But apparently there really was such a dog.   In the book, he doesn't actually hurt any black people.   And in the end, he's the real victim--you wind up feeling like dogs deserve better than humans--regardless of color, we are a pretty messed-up species.

But some of us are a little more than that--some of us can see beyond those categories--and I think Obama is one of those people.   Hard to believe he could actually become President.   Being sane and all.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I already saw the movie at Film Forum, some time back.   It&#8217;s got some powerful moments, but it doesn&#8217;t really tackle racism all that directly&#8211;in the entire course of the film, you meet exactly ONE racist&#8211;the old white guy who trained the dog.</p>
<p>There is no such thing as a racist animal, of course.   The dog is PREJUDICED&#8211;his trainer conditions him to believe this type of person represents a threat, and of course he believes it&#8211;he&#8217;s got no basis for believing otherwise.   What&#8217;s our excuse?   We rationalize our faulty emotional reactions, but a dog can&#8217;t do that, so a dog can&#8217;t be racist.   </p>
<p>The Romain Gary book is much better&#8211;and shows you all different kinds of racism.   Fuller didn&#8217;t really confront the problem fully&#8211;which is that racism begets racism.   If the ending of Fuller&#8217;s movie makes no sense&#8211;and it doesn&#8217;t&#8211;it&#8217;s because he knew he couldn&#8217;t get away with the ending from Gary&#8217;s book.   In any event, Fuller only uses Gary&#8217;s semi-autobiographical work as a jumping off point&#8211;all that&#8217;s left is the idea of a dog that hates black people.   Who btw, was not a White German Shepherd in real life.   </p>
<p>But apparently there really was such a dog.   In the book, he doesn&#8217;t actually hurt any black people.   And in the end, he&#8217;s the real victim&#8211;you wind up feeling like dogs deserve better than humans&#8211;regardless of color, we are a pretty messed-up species.</p>
<p>But some of us are a little more than that&#8211;some of us can see beyond those categories&#8211;and I think Obama is one of those people.   Hard to believe he could actually become President.   Being sane and all.  <img src='http://blog.spout.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Steven Boone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Boone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dwight,

You're right, it is confusing. I meant to imply that Obama's "black" face and very American (if worldly, educated) persona are linked in the minds of many with African-Americans-- true descendants of slaves like me. His ascendancy is bound up symbolically with those blacks whose ancestors came over here in chains as much as it is with those who came over on Delta first class. He's the whole diaspora-- the whole world, as the NY Times tells it.

But  "descendant" is too concrete a term and "partial" doesn't clarify it enough. Thanks for catching that. Coffee time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dwight,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, it is confusing. I meant to imply that Obama&#8217;s &#8220;black&#8221; face and very American (if worldly, educated) persona are linked in the minds of many with African-Americans&#8211; true descendants of slaves like me. His ascendancy is bound up symbolically with those blacks whose ancestors came over here in chains as much as it is with those who came over on Delta first class. He&#8217;s the whole diaspora&#8211; the whole world, as the NY Times tells it.</p>
<p>But  &#8220;descendant&#8221; is too concrete a term and &#8220;partial&#8221; doesn&#8217;t clarify it enough. Thanks for catching that. Coffee time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Boone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Boone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stories, Ry. That's what I'm talkin bout: Let's have a Dialogue on Race minus any of the starchy PBS-CNN connotations of that phrase. Just survivor accounts of folks enduring racist bullshit from "thugs" of every stripe.

I just think this election year and financial collapse are cracking the can open in ways not seen since Reagan's reign. The 50's point to the 80's point to the 00's in many ways.

I'm trying to remember films that capture the sadness and strain of so-called "reverse racism." Are there any good ones? I vaguely recall a Ken Loach-ish British film called &lt;i&gt;Love + Hate&lt;/i&gt;, beautifully shot by Loach's frequent DP....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stories, Ry. That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m talkin bout: Let&#8217;s have a Dialogue on Race minus any of the starchy PBS-CNN connotations of that phrase. Just survivor accounts of folks enduring racist bullshit from &#8220;thugs&#8221; of every stripe.</p>
<p>I just think this election year and financial collapse are cracking the can open in ways not seen since Reagan&#8217;s reign. The 50&#8217;s point to the 80&#8217;s point to the 00&#8217;s in many ways.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to remember films that capture the sadness and strain of so-called &#8220;reverse racism.&#8221; Are there any good ones? I vaguely recall a Ken Loach-ish British film called <i>Love + Hate</i>, beautifully shot by Loach&#8217;s frequent DP&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryland Walker Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryland Walker Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First: that lead image, man -- wouch.

Next: &lt;i&gt; But Fuller's mise-en-scene has never been more precise, operatic or unsettling. White Dog's visual scheme is less about racism than about the panic and dismay that grips witnesses of racist violence and the loved ones of violent racists.&lt;/i&gt;

One time, when I was pretty young, a family member muttered something about "niggers" from behind his minivan steering wheel and I wanted to shrink from the world. Another time, in 3rd grade, I was beat up by a pack of kids from the public school across the street from our private Catholic entrenchment and my friends, all black, just laughed. Still the hardest ethical space to navigate. When I was living in NYC, I worked in Queens and got an egg sandwich and coffee every morning from one choice deli. As I walked out and down Elmhurst, I saw a "thug" standing sentinel, unwrapping his own sandwich. There was a healthy margin between us and empty space on the sidewalk all around. As I approached, he stepped forward, blind, and almost walked into me.
--What the fuck, dude?
--Nah, you don't want to start, son.
--No? What the fuck?
--I said don't start.
A cop bolted into the picture. --Get stepping, kid.
--What the fuck?
The cop gave me a knowing look, like, you know you don't want to get beat, so step along, and, hands thrown up, I walked on, cussing, --fucking pricks.
Now I know this story doesn't have _much_ to do with "racism" but the fact that I was white definitely made it develop, right? What's a goofy white boy wearing Chucks in February supposed to do? Always defer? Fuck that. An asshole is an asshole, flat brimmed or horn rimmed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First: that lead image, man &#8212; wouch.</p>
<p>Next: <i> But Fuller&#8217;s mise-en-scene has never been more precise, operatic or unsettling. White Dog&#8217;s visual scheme is less about racism than about the panic and dismay that grips witnesses of racist violence and the loved ones of violent racists.</i></p>
<p>One time, when I was pretty young, a family member muttered something about &#8220;niggers&#8221; from behind his minivan steering wheel and I wanted to shrink from the world. Another time, in 3rd grade, I was beat up by a pack of kids from the public school across the street from our private Catholic entrenchment and my friends, all black, just laughed. Still the hardest ethical space to navigate. When I was living in NYC, I worked in Queens and got an egg sandwich and coffee every morning from one choice deli. As I walked out and down Elmhurst, I saw a &#8220;thug&#8221; standing sentinel, unwrapping his own sandwich. There was a healthy margin between us and empty space on the sidewalk all around. As I approached, he stepped forward, blind, and almost walked into me.<br />
&#8211;What the fuck, dude?<br />
&#8211;Nah, you don&#8217;t want to start, son.<br />
&#8211;No? What the fuck?<br />
&#8211;I said don&#8217;t start.<br />
A cop bolted into the picture. &#8211;Get stepping, kid.<br />
&#8211;What the fuck?<br />
The cop gave me a knowing look, like, you know you don&#8217;t want to get beat, so step along, and, hands thrown up, I walked on, cussing, &#8211;fucking pricks.<br />
Now I know this story doesn&#8217;t have _much_ to do with &#8220;racism&#8221; but the fact that I was white definitely made it develop, right? What&#8217;s a goofy white boy wearing Chucks in February supposed to do? Always defer? Fuck that. An asshole is an asshole, flat brimmed or horn rimmed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"A partial descendant of slaves takes the helm of the American Empire."

Could you clarify this statement? I assume you mean something broader than American slavery. I don't know everything of Obama's biography...but I was confused by that statement. Just wondering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A partial descendant of slaves takes the helm of the American Empire.&#8221;</p>
<p>Could you clarify this statement? I assume you mean something broader than American slavery. I don&#8217;t know everything of Obama&#8217;s biography&#8230;but I was confused by that statement. Just wondering.</p>
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