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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wall-E Was the best film I have seen in 2008 by a wide margin.
  Yes, I am using picture &#38; film interchangably. Concerns of live actors, hardness or ease of production do not make the film an iota better or worse. We have all seen terrible movies with great performances (dark knight) And vice versa.

It was the best picture in my opinion. Not the most expensive, most grossing or most overacted (yes Sean Penn,  that's you)

  If the people doing the nominating and voting thought it was the best film, then why not let them nominate it? If they didn't then they shouldn't nominate it.

  It isn't that hard to grasp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wall-E Was the best film I have seen in 2008 by a wide margin.<br />
  Yes, I am using picture &amp; film interchangably. Concerns of live actors, hardness or ease of production do not make the film an iota better or worse. We have all seen terrible movies with great performances (dark knight) And vice versa.</p>
<p>It was the best picture in my opinion. Not the most expensive, most grossing or most overacted (yes Sean Penn,  that&#8217;s you)</p>
<p>  If the people doing the nominating and voting thought it was the best film, then why not let them nominate it? If they didn&#8217;t then they shouldn&#8217;t nominate it.</p>
<p>  It isn&#8217;t that hard to grasp.</p>
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		<title>By: Serg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely, COMPLETELY agree with you Matt. I mean, Wall-E is simply fantastic and is one of the best movies I have ever seen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely, COMPLETELY agree with you Matt. I mean, Wall-E is simply fantastic and is one of the best movies I have ever seen!</p>
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		<title>By: caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope WALL-E ends up on the Best Picture Nod. If it doesn't, I will not watch the oscars.
 
WALL-E costed 180,000,000 to make, just as much as the Dark Knight. So many people worked so hard on it. Ben Burtt did amazing voice design, Stanton wrote his most daring script, the computer graphics were realistic (with the exception of the human characters), Newman did a beautiful themed score (WHY DID HE NOT GET A NOD FOR BEST MUSIC AT THE ANNIES?!), etc.,etc.

I also find WALL-E to be better than Beauty and the Beast. That was a great movie, but WALL-E told the better story. 

WALL-E is not one of the bloated, passionate romance films like the great, but overrated Titanic. Titanic did nothing but circled around Jack and Rose romance all of a sudden.  But in WALL-E, there was a reason on why everything had  to circle around them.  There were many things going on beside WALL-E's and EVE's romance- There was a lethargic society, a polluted Earth, and machines discovering life. And WALL-E romance with EVE affected humanity.  People who think that WALL-E simply insults fat people and overconsumers are wrong, in fact, even if it did, that shows their ignorance of reality.  To not accept reality means that you cannot survive in this world.

WALL-E is certainly better than Kung Fu Panda. Kung Fu Panda only took 130 million to make. Kung Fu Panda is certainly funnier, but comedy is not enough to define a good movie. Kung Fu Panda had a excellent storyline, but it is what it is, it was only meant to make children laugh and enjoy it. Kung Fu Panda is not of the universal. Young children will love the cuteness of WALL-E, and teens and adults will love the allegorical story.

Dreamworks may be funnier, but Pixar suceeds in mixed comedy with out-of-this world storylines. Storylines matter more than comedy.

Because you think comedy defines how good a movie is, you are one of those inconsiderate people who give no damn toward the hard effort.  

What use is an Annie Award to WALL-E? WALL-E is no animated movie, it's a romance made by animation. Saying that WALL-E is an animated movie is discriminating.

If WALL-E doesn't show up on the Best Picture category, I will never watch the Oscars again. Mark my words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope WALL-E ends up on the Best Picture Nod. If it doesn&#8217;t, I will not watch the oscars.</p>
<p>WALL-E costed 180,000,000 to make, just as much as the Dark Knight. So many people worked so hard on it. Ben Burtt did amazing voice design, Stanton wrote his most daring script, the computer graphics were realistic (with the exception of the human characters), Newman did a beautiful themed score (WHY DID HE NOT GET A NOD FOR BEST MUSIC AT THE ANNIES?!), etc.,etc.</p>
<p>I also find WALL-E to be better than Beauty and the Beast. That was a great movie, but WALL-E told the better story. </p>
<p>WALL-E is not one of the bloated, passionate romance films like the great, but overrated Titanic. Titanic did nothing but circled around Jack and Rose romance all of a sudden.  But in WALL-E, there was a reason on why everything had  to circle around them.  There were many things going on beside WALL-E&#8217;s and EVE&#8217;s romance- There was a lethargic society, a polluted Earth, and machines discovering life. And WALL-E romance with EVE affected humanity.  People who think that WALL-E simply insults fat people and overconsumers are wrong, in fact, even if it did, that shows their ignorance of reality.  To not accept reality means that you cannot survive in this world.</p>
<p>WALL-E is certainly better than Kung Fu Panda. Kung Fu Panda only took 130 million to make. Kung Fu Panda is certainly funnier, but comedy is not enough to define a good movie. Kung Fu Panda had a excellent storyline, but it is what it is, it was only meant to make children laugh and enjoy it. Kung Fu Panda is not of the universal. Young children will love the cuteness of WALL-E, and teens and adults will love the allegorical story.</p>
<p>Dreamworks may be funnier, but Pixar suceeds in mixed comedy with out-of-this world storylines. Storylines matter more than comedy.</p>
<p>Because you think comedy defines how good a movie is, you are one of those inconsiderate people who give no damn toward the hard effort.  </p>
<p>What use is an Annie Award to WALL-E? WALL-E is no animated movie, it&#8217;s a romance made by animation. Saying that WALL-E is an animated movie is discriminating.</p>
<p>If WALL-E doesn&#8217;t show up on the Best Picture category, I will never watch the Oscars again. Mark my words.</p>
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		<title>By: Branden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Branden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched WALL-E and everybody was going on and on that it was the greatest film ever. It was a good movie, but not the best movie of 2008.

I don't think that it should be nominated for Best Picture. I think the preachiness of movie about how we are wrong, the fat people on the Axiom. No.

I'll be fine with Animated Feature. Not Best Picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched WALL-E and everybody was going on and on that it was the greatest film ever. It was a good movie, but not the best movie of 2008.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that it should be nominated for Best Picture. I think the preachiness of movie about how we are wrong, the fat people on the Axiom. No.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be fine with Animated Feature. Not Best Picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry, I apologize for being unclear or seemingly insulting. By ease, I don't mean easy, I mean more accommodating. There are so many things that can be done with computers that either can't be done in live-action or can't be done believably. 

Of course, difficult camera angles, artificial lighting, making people fly, for examples, can all be accomplished more EASILY, though, too. That isn't to say it doesn't still take time and skill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry, I apologize for being unclear or seemingly insulting. By ease, I don&#8217;t mean easy, I mean more accommodating. There are so many things that can be done with computers that either can&#8217;t be done in live-action or can&#8217;t be done believably. </p>
<p>Of course, difficult camera angles, artificial lighting, making people fly, for examples, can all be accomplished more EASILY, though, too. That isn&#8217;t to say it doesn&#8217;t still take time and skill.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"After all, particularly with computer animation, they allow for more ease in certain aspects of direction, cinematography and special effects."

Your ignorance is showing.  Creating an entire universe from SCRATCH, including the physics of weight, light, performance, design, composition, photography, in the computer is FAR more difficult and time consuming than in live action (the average length of production being 3-4 years).  The ease of change is also a fallacy.  It is incredibly time consuming and difficult, and is more often than not (due to the short production schedule of 3-4 years) in production before a script is completed (and even then, most of the script is drawn).  

While there are many animators who are as good and better actors than live actors, many people work to build one performance.  The illusion of spontaneity is just that:  an illusion.  And great acting.  Sadly, a "best actor" nod might just be out of the question.

Best Art Direction?  Of course.  "Wall-e," and even "Ratatouille" were 2 of the best art directed films in the last 10 years.  That everything was designed and built, textured and dressed to inhabit their particular worlds (they're both incredibly specific-far more so than most live action films), is amazing.  The lighting, many compositional elements, and characters/costumes/makeup/hair are also very carefully designed and/or supervised by the art directors of these films.  Animated films (especially cg ones)have now been using tools for decades that live action  only recently has gotten used to.   I can count on less than one hand live action production designers who have marshalled as much through completion.

It's particularly funny that animated Special Effects seem to be ignored.  Making them fit into live action is not easy.  Now try doing it in a film that has created it's own specific world of design!  Much more difficult.

Animated features have been nominated for song, score, screenplay, sound, sound editing, and best animated feature AND best picture.  

Seeing as how Wall-e is the single best reviewed film of 2008, why shouldn't it be nominated for every award it's eligible for?  Just because it happens to be animated is besides the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;After all, particularly with computer animation, they allow for more ease in certain aspects of direction, cinematography and special effects.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your ignorance is showing.  Creating an entire universe from SCRATCH, including the physics of weight, light, performance, design, composition, photography, in the computer is FAR more difficult and time consuming than in live action (the average length of production being 3-4 years).  The ease of change is also a fallacy.  It is incredibly time consuming and difficult, and is more often than not (due to the short production schedule of 3-4 years) in production before a script is completed (and even then, most of the script is drawn).  </p>
<p>While there are many animators who are as good and better actors than live actors, many people work to build one performance.  The illusion of spontaneity is just that:  an illusion.  And great acting.  Sadly, a &#8220;best actor&#8221; nod might just be out of the question.</p>
<p>Best Art Direction?  Of course.  &#8220;Wall-e,&#8221; and even &#8220;Ratatouille&#8221; were 2 of the best art directed films in the last 10 years.  That everything was designed and built, textured and dressed to inhabit their particular worlds (they&#8217;re both incredibly specific-far more so than most live action films), is amazing.  The lighting, many compositional elements, and characters/costumes/makeup/hair are also very carefully designed and/or supervised by the art directors of these films.  Animated films (especially cg ones)have now been using tools for decades that live action  only recently has gotten used to.   I can count on less than one hand live action production designers who have marshalled as much through completion.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s particularly funny that animated Special Effects seem to be ignored.  Making them fit into live action is not easy.  Now try doing it in a film that has created it&#8217;s own specific world of design!  Much more difficult.</p>
<p>Animated features have been nominated for song, score, screenplay, sound, sound editing, and best animated feature AND best picture.  </p>
<p>Seeing as how Wall-e is the single best reviewed film of 2008, why shouldn&#8217;t it be nominated for every award it&#8217;s eligible for?  Just because it happens to be animated is besides the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Jandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you only if your suggested step were taken to rename "Best Picture" as "Best Live-Action English-Language Feature." As long as it's "Best Picture," than no film should be excluded from eligibility (either actually or psychologically) by being animated. And yeah, I threw in the foreign language thing too because it never fails to infuriate me that the Academy silently relegates foreign films to a secondary award.

If that were to happen, I would agree with you totally, because if Wall-E were to win Best Picture, it would have to win Best Animated Feature as well (anything else wouldn't make sense; and the same would be true in the case of foreign films), and like you, I'd prefer to spread the high-profile awards around as much as possible to highlight a greater variety of films. But as long as it's called "Best Picture" any film ought to be considered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you only if your suggested step were taken to rename &#8220;Best Picture&#8221; as &#8220;Best Live-Action English-Language Feature.&#8221; As long as it&#8217;s &#8220;Best Picture,&#8221; than no film should be excluded from eligibility (either actually or psychologically) by being animated. And yeah, I threw in the foreign language thing too because it never fails to infuriate me that the Academy silently relegates foreign films to a secondary award.</p>
<p>If that were to happen, I would agree with you totally, because if Wall-E were to win Best Picture, it would have to win Best Animated Feature as well (anything else wouldn&#8217;t make sense; and the same would be true in the case of foreign films), and like you, I&#8217;d prefer to spread the high-profile awards around as much as possible to highlight a greater variety of films. But as long as it&#8217;s called &#8220;Best Picture&#8221; any film ought to be considered.</p>
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		<title>By: richard o'connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard o'connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wall-E isn't even the best animated feature this year.  That title belongs unquestionably to "Sita Sings the Blues".

The logic you employ in this article, however, is false.

"Best Picture" is an inclusive award -its the whole of art form not just "drama" or "comedy" or "action".  Unless the award is explicitly specific to genre there's no reason a documentary or foreign language or animated film shouldn't be eligible.

Animation is a technical process, rewarding something for animation is a reward for the execution of a technical process.

"Best Picture" is a creative achievement independent of form and genre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wall-E isn&#8217;t even the best animated feature this year.  That title belongs unquestionably to &#8220;Sita Sings the Blues&#8221;.</p>
<p>The logic you employ in this article, however, is false.</p>
<p>&#8220;Best Picture&#8221; is an inclusive award -its the whole of art form not just &#8220;drama&#8221; or &#8220;comedy&#8221; or &#8220;action&#8221;.  Unless the award is explicitly specific to genre there&#8217;s no reason a documentary or foreign language or animated film shouldn&#8217;t be eligible.</p>
<p>Animation is a technical process, rewarding something for animation is a reward for the execution of a technical process.</p>
<p>&#8220;Best Picture&#8221; is a creative achievement independent of form and genre.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WALL-E has already topped The Times list of Top movies of 2008, is the *only* animated feature on Roger Ebert's Top 20 movies, and has been winning awards right and left.  To say that WALL-E shouldn't be nominated for Best Picture simply because there is a category for animated movies is to show yourself to be a fool.  I will continue to support WALL-E for Best Picture because it IS the best film of 2008.  It seems that the mere fact reactions like these exist online goes a long way in proving just what a great chance WALL-E has at getting the nomination it deserves.  Just so you know, most of the world is pointing and laughing at rants like these, and hoping that the world will eventually realize animation is not an inferior art form, but rather simply an art form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WALL-E has already topped The Times list of Top movies of 2008, is the *only* animated feature on Roger Ebert&#8217;s Top 20 movies, and has been winning awards right and left.  To say that WALL-E shouldn&#8217;t be nominated for Best Picture simply because there is a category for animated movies is to show yourself to be a fool.  I will continue to support WALL-E for Best Picture because it IS the best film of 2008.  It seems that the mere fact reactions like these exist online goes a long way in proving just what a great chance WALL-E has at getting the nomination it deserves.  Just so you know, most of the world is pointing and laughing at rants like these, and hoping that the world will eventually realize animation is not an inferior art form, but rather simply an art form.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacinta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacinta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You raise a good argument.  Foreign films get no credit these days, especially when it comes to shelf space at retailers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You raise a good argument.  Foreign films get no credit these days, especially when it comes to shelf space at retailers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, let's re-channel our energy and support WALL-E for technical achievements, not Best Picture. Honestly, it wasn't even that good -- although you gotta love the irony of a Pixar/Disney movie critiquing consumer culture...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, let&#8217;s re-channel our energy and support WALL-E for technical achievements, not Best Picture. Honestly, it wasn&#8217;t even that good &#8212; although you gotta love the irony of a Pixar/Disney movie critiquing consumer culture&#8230;</p>
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