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		<title>By: Stinky17</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2009/03/04/watchmen-review/#comment-136139</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: elly</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2009/03/04/watchmen-review/#comment-122852</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I meant Watchmen, not Watchman</description>
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		<title>By: elly</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a 69 year old Watchman virgin, who enjoys science fiction and movies and books that feature alternate realities.  I went to see Watchman with only a vague idea of what it was about.  I found it absolutely fabulous, exciting, well acted (accept Adrien mumbled) and philisophically challenging.  I was sorry when it ended.  Now, I will read the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a 69 year old Watchman virgin, who enjoys science fiction and movies and books that feature alternate realities.  I went to see Watchman with only a vague idea of what it was about.  I found it absolutely fabulous, exciting, well acted (accept Adrien mumbled) and philisophically challenging.  I was sorry when it ended.  Now, I will read the book.</p>
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		<title>By: coffee</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i haven't read the Watchmen comic series, but i can't imagine them packing any more into one movie even if they wanted to, which is good for me, makes me feel like i got my money's worth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i haven&#8217;t read the Watchmen comic series, but i can&#8217;t imagine them packing any more into one movie even if they wanted to, which is good for me, makes me feel like i got my money&#8217;s worth</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Sirotek</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2009/03/04/watchmen-review/#comment-122367</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Sirotek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely agree with you Christopher! I ended up feeling after a lot of thinking that it really isn't possible to make this into what it needs to be and that is kind of what I meant about the book not being a readymade script.

The Nolan Batman movies were awesome because they were completely in character and honest to what Batman is. Batman is a mythos. So you just have to make sure that the character you present to the audience IS Batman.

With the Watchmen, it is only what it is. It isn't a mythos. It is a complete story and concept and it is a commentary on humanity, politics AND comics. You can't make something "inspired" by Watchmen unless it isn't Watchmen. At the same time you can't really make Watchmen because it is a commentary as a comic about comics, making that into a movie really can't possibly work.

So in that sense I think the movie proves it. It is entirely servicable. It looks great. It just doesn't really work as it is supposed to as a movie in my opinion. I have heard from plenty of Watchmen fans that loved it. What I am really interested in is what normal everyday humans that don't take super-humans as normal stuff would take this movie that is very much about adults in bondage gear growing old and complaining. How can you deconstruct something that they have no context for and then make them care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree with you Christopher! I ended up feeling after a lot of thinking that it really isn&#8217;t possible to make this into what it needs to be and that is kind of what I meant about the book not being a readymade script.</p>
<p>The Nolan Batman movies were awesome because they were completely in character and honest to what Batman is. Batman is a mythos. So you just have to make sure that the character you present to the audience IS Batman.</p>
<p>With the Watchmen, it is only what it is. It isn&#8217;t a mythos. It is a complete story and concept and it is a commentary on humanity, politics AND comics. You can&#8217;t make something &#8220;inspired&#8221; by Watchmen unless it isn&#8217;t Watchmen. At the same time you can&#8217;t really make Watchmen because it is a commentary as a comic about comics, making that into a movie really can&#8217;t possibly work.</p>
<p>So in that sense I think the movie proves it. It is entirely servicable. It looks great. It just doesn&#8217;t really work as it is supposed to as a movie in my opinion. I have heard from plenty of Watchmen fans that loved it. What I am really interested in is what normal everyday humans that don&#8217;t take super-humans as normal stuff would take this movie that is very much about adults in bondage gear growing old and complaining. How can you deconstruct something that they have no context for and then make them care?</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Sirotek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor Sirotek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw the movie on Friday and have to say Kev... I agree with you. Not on the same points. I thought the movie was gorgeous but entirely uneven and at times not very good. Often it was great but then would get sidelined. I am still trying to place what about it turned me off but it seemed like the longer it went on, the less I was enjoying myself.

For me, I knew it wasn't good when I began contemplating whether I even liked the graphic novel... not a good sign.

I think Rorschach was fantastic, I loved the sets, I loved the opening... but it was so choppy and vignettey without a really super-strong connection. Sure, the book is like that too... but the book works perfectly. I think for me, this is evidence that things cannot just hop mediums and NO graphic novels are not just ready-baked scripts and storyboards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw the movie on Friday and have to say Kev&#8230; I agree with you. Not on the same points. I thought the movie was gorgeous but entirely uneven and at times not very good. Often it was great but then would get sidelined. I am still trying to place what about it turned me off but it seemed like the longer it went on, the less I was enjoying myself.</p>
<p>For me, I knew it wasn&#8217;t good when I began contemplating whether I even liked the graphic novel&#8230; not a good sign.</p>
<p>I think Rorschach was fantastic, I loved the sets, I loved the opening&#8230; but it was so choppy and vignettey without a really super-strong connection. Sure, the book is like that too&#8230; but the book works perfectly. I think for me, this is evidence that things cannot just hop mediums and NO graphic novels are not just ready-baked scripts and storyboards.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had tried to read watchmen back in the 90’s, and I’ll be honest I never really got into it… But when I heard that they were making a movie I read it, and reread it over the last few years and I can truly appreciate it.

The comic itself was a turning point, and it wasn’t that it was unique - but instead that it both critiqued and analysed everything that came before it.

- what would it actually take in a real world for someone to dress up in a costume. If they did wouldn’t that person literally become a sociopath?
- If someone was super powered - how would that impact their love-life and connections with humanity?
- How would the rest of humanity truly look at heroes?
- What is the connection between violence/power/control and sex?
- What is the role of homosexuality and fetishism in comics
- As we age and mature - how do we pass that on to our children and avoid damaging or controlling them?
- How do we deal with a world that is changing so fast, and that uses us up, spits us out and in the end will destroy us.. How do we find hope and joy in this world.. or even a sense of purpose or meaning?
- And despite however amazing the world is - we will always have a need and desire for escapism. You see this in the black freighter comic
- How politicians and people of power will always seek to control and win and dominate - they are reactionary and respond only to fear. Fear of losingtheir power.. fear.. fear.. and more fear. and in the end it wasn’t hope or a sense of higher purpose or ideals that saved us… but a very very delicate balance based on a greater fear.

This comic is praised so much, and over the past few weeks critics just say that it is a great comic universally - but never actually say why it is great. The comic is over 20 years old and the themes of Watchmen have been used and reused from Heroes, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and in some degree I will say that there is a part of me.. somewhere.. that says that this truly is the best Watchmen film that could possibly ever be made - but then there are also so many other things that absolutely made me shake my head. Now I will say that I feelSnyder did a decent job, and in a way I almost don’t feel that it is even fair to critique or judge this movie at all. This movie cannot be made. Its as if you tried to make Six Feet Under, The Wire or the Sopranos into a 2hr movie. Its too broad. its too epic.. and I know that they wanted to do it on HBO, but HBO said no. When the 3.5-4hr extended cut is released I will rewatch it, but even then I feel that you cant fix a bad recipe by making more of it.

Snyder seems to have largely traded the subtext, nuance and social exploration aspects of the work for an excuse to just make the most brutal and dark superhero movie he could. Thisisn’t a terrible film… its amazingly reverent and loyal to the book - but it does so in a way that has actually misrepresented the original.

Imagine if you went to a art gallery and it had posters and lithographs of Michelangelo, Degas and Picasso all over the walls… you may take 4-5 minutes and walk around and look at them, and comment that they are nice… However, you can never call them art.. they have no soul, they reflect the light completely differently and they will miss all of the texture, nuance and history that the original have that make it a true work of art. Most importantly, you should never miss the opportunity toactually see an original in Paris - and if you did, you would say, without any doubt - “Wow, I had no idea, it does look completely different”.. the complexity of the colors and the entire experience of seeing it would be completely different.

Snyder’s film in dozens of ways has actually misrepresented the classic, and had traded substance for style, and is in a way satiring itself - which unfortunately becomes confusing and sloppy.

For instance, just to take a single aspect - Violence in the original work was the exact opposite of every other comic book. Violence was a poor sad desperate result of fear or desperation. It was a central pillar of every character.

Ozymandias killed the comedian because he was afraid his plan would get out. He was the Smartest man in the world… but like a Pharaoh, or King.. he was completely alone. Like a machine.. a reflection of Dr Manhattan - he will do what is logical in order to save the world but his plan, and the violence was pure logic. It was not out of love or ethics… but just amathematical desperate decision.

Dr Manhattan was the mirror to Ozymandias in the fact that he was a central representation of love all thru the book. He truly loved Janey Slater. - but by being transformed into Dr Manhattan.. by actually being the representation of wish fulfillment an having all of the power in the world, he lost/chose to stop loving her. He abandoned his role as a husband and chose the love of another woman, Laurie - who ironically did the same to him with Dan. It is only on Mars when Dr Manhattan see’s the true complex beauty in Laurie that he begins to love again and becomes almost human again. Manhattan does several amazing things at the end of the book, all related to violence.

1. He chooses to not stop or condemn Veidt. He literally chooses pacifism. Just moments after reconnecting with his humanity, this is not his apathy or ambivalence - but he absolutely chooses to stop the violence, both on Earth and in Antartica.
2. He murders Rorschach, or more accurately commits Euthanasia to end his tragic life. He could have left him out in the snow, of course he would have died and would have no opportunity to tell anyone. But he kills him to ease his pain. Again mirroring the sacrifice of millions in NYC
3. He doesn’t attempt to reunite or reconcile with Laurie, he steps aside and literally disappears. He leaves to allow her and Dan to mature into fully functional adults. All 3 of them have now left their twisted violent/heroic ways and are now true mature adults and can have a relationship thatisn’t based on violence, S&#38;M or approval of their mother/Hollis.

The comedian was a weak sociopath who used violencece to control, dominate others - to the point of it becoming his career - in the end he realizes what a joke he is. He is mirrored by Rorschach whom shows how a life or repeated violence is literally so tragic and meaningless that he literally begs to be killed at the end of the story. Both men tried to find meaning in their life by dominating violencethru violence - ultimately both men were destroyed by it.

Violence is literally a replacement for love or spiritual connection for both Nite Owl and the Silk Spectre. Hollis has actually moved on and found fulfillment in restoring old cars, mentoring Dan, and with the neighborhood kids. Hollis literally tells Dan to move on and he doesn’t need to keep coming around, and Dan blows him off… not to be polite… but because Dan NEEDS Hollis.. Dan is so empty and is missing something in his life. All of his money has been given to him, he has no one to share his life with - and is so desperate for companionship he has named his ship, and is in twisteddysfunctional relationships with both Rorschach and Sally (which eventually mature into more meaningful relationships).

I could write about this for hours but the violence in the book is a conscious tragic substitute for life and meaning. As the characters mature they either chose to change, or be destroyed by it. Unfortunately the movie doesn’t truly illustrate this arc, but instead it celebrates the violence, amps it up and doesn’t add to or make the connections.. but instead it blurs them and this can be said about several aspects of the film such as the music, sex, and dialogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had tried to read watchmen back in the 90’s, and I’ll be honest I never really got into it… But when I heard that they were making a movie I read it, and reread it over the last few years and I can truly appreciate it.</p>
<p>The comic itself was a turning point, and it wasn’t that it was unique - but instead that it both critiqued and analysed everything that came before it.</p>
<p>- what would it actually take in a real world for someone to dress up in a costume. If they did wouldn’t that person literally become a sociopath?<br />
- If someone was super powered - how would that impact their love-life and connections with humanity?<br />
- How would the rest of humanity truly look at heroes?<br />
- What is the connection between violence/power/control and sex?<br />
- What is the role of homosexuality and fetishism in comics<br />
- As we age and mature - how do we pass that on to our children and avoid damaging or controlling them?<br />
- How do we deal with a world that is changing so fast, and that uses us up, spits us out and in the end will destroy us.. How do we find hope and joy in this world.. or even a sense of purpose or meaning?<br />
- And despite however amazing the world is - we will always have a need and desire for escapism. You see this in the black freighter comic<br />
- How politicians and people of power will always seek to control and win and dominate - they are reactionary and respond only to fear. Fear of losingtheir power.. fear.. fear.. and more fear. and in the end it wasn’t hope or a sense of higher purpose or ideals that saved us… but a very very delicate balance based on a greater fear.</p>
<p>This comic is praised so much, and over the past few weeks critics just say that it is a great comic universally - but never actually say why it is great. The comic is over 20 years old and the themes of Watchmen have been used and reused from Heroes, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and in some degree I will say that there is a part of me.. somewhere.. that says that this truly is the best Watchmen film that could possibly ever be made - but then there are also so many other things that absolutely made me shake my head. Now I will say that I feelSnyder did a decent job, and in a way I almost don’t feel that it is even fair to critique or judge this movie at all. This movie cannot be made. Its as if you tried to make Six Feet Under, The Wire or the Sopranos into a 2hr movie. Its too broad. its too epic.. and I know that they wanted to do it on HBO, but HBO said no. When the 3.5-4hr extended cut is released I will rewatch it, but even then I feel that you cant fix a bad recipe by making more of it.</p>
<p>Snyder seems to have largely traded the subtext, nuance and social exploration aspects of the work for an excuse to just make the most brutal and dark superhero movie he could. Thisisn’t a terrible film… its amazingly reverent and loyal to the book - but it does so in a way that has actually misrepresented the original.</p>
<p>Imagine if you went to a art gallery and it had posters and lithographs of Michelangelo, Degas and Picasso all over the walls… you may take 4-5 minutes and walk around and look at them, and comment that they are nice… However, you can never call them art.. they have no soul, they reflect the light completely differently and they will miss all of the texture, nuance and history that the original have that make it a true work of art. Most importantly, you should never miss the opportunity toactually see an original in Paris - and if you did, you would say, without any doubt - “Wow, I had no idea, it does look completely different”.. the complexity of the colors and the entire experience of seeing it would be completely different.</p>
<p>Snyder’s film in dozens of ways has actually misrepresented the classic, and had traded substance for style, and is in a way satiring itself - which unfortunately becomes confusing and sloppy.</p>
<p>For instance, just to take a single aspect - Violence in the original work was the exact opposite of every other comic book. Violence was a poor sad desperate result of fear or desperation. It was a central pillar of every character.</p>
<p>Ozymandias killed the comedian because he was afraid his plan would get out. He was the Smartest man in the world… but like a Pharaoh, or King.. he was completely alone. Like a machine.. a reflection of Dr Manhattan - he will do what is logical in order to save the world but his plan, and the violence was pure logic. It was not out of love or ethics… but just amathematical desperate decision.</p>
<p>Dr Manhattan was the mirror to Ozymandias in the fact that he was a central representation of love all thru the book. He truly loved Janey Slater. - but by being transformed into Dr Manhattan.. by actually being the representation of wish fulfillment an having all of the power in the world, he lost/chose to stop loving her. He abandoned his role as a husband and chose the love of another woman, Laurie - who ironically did the same to him with Dan. It is only on Mars when Dr Manhattan see’s the true complex beauty in Laurie that he begins to love again and becomes almost human again. Manhattan does several amazing things at the end of the book, all related to violence.</p>
<p>1. He chooses to not stop or condemn Veidt. He literally chooses pacifism. Just moments after reconnecting with his humanity, this is not his apathy or ambivalence - but he absolutely chooses to stop the violence, both on Earth and in Antartica.<br />
2. He murders Rorschach, or more accurately commits Euthanasia to end his tragic life. He could have left him out in the snow, of course he would have died and would have no opportunity to tell anyone. But he kills him to ease his pain. Again mirroring the sacrifice of millions in NYC<br />
3. He doesn’t attempt to reunite or reconcile with Laurie, he steps aside and literally disappears. He leaves to allow her and Dan to mature into fully functional adults. All 3 of them have now left their twisted violent/heroic ways and are now true mature adults and can have a relationship thatisn’t based on violence, S&amp;M or approval of their mother/Hollis.</p>
<p>The comedian was a weak sociopath who used violencece to control, dominate others - to the point of it becoming his career - in the end he realizes what a joke he is. He is mirrored by Rorschach whom shows how a life or repeated violence is literally so tragic and meaningless that he literally begs to be killed at the end of the story. Both men tried to find meaning in their life by dominating violencethru violence - ultimately both men were destroyed by it.</p>
<p>Violence is literally a replacement for love or spiritual connection for both Nite Owl and the Silk Spectre. Hollis has actually moved on and found fulfillment in restoring old cars, mentoring Dan, and with the neighborhood kids. Hollis literally tells Dan to move on and he doesn’t need to keep coming around, and Dan blows him off… not to be polite… but because Dan NEEDS Hollis.. Dan is so empty and is missing something in his life. All of his money has been given to him, he has no one to share his life with - and is so desperate for companionship he has named his ship, and is in twisteddysfunctional relationships with both Rorschach and Sally (which eventually mature into more meaningful relationships).</p>
<p>I could write about this for hours but the violence in the book is a conscious tragic substitute for life and meaning. As the characters mature they either chose to change, or be destroyed by it. Unfortunately the movie doesn’t truly illustrate this arc, but instead it celebrates the violence, amps it up and doesn’t add to or make the connections.. but instead it blurs them and this can be said about several aspects of the film such as the music, sex, and dialogue.</p>
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		<title>By: lewisbostock</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2009/03/04/watchmen-review/#comment-122253</link>
		<dc:creator>lewisbostock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 00:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just finished listening to the latest episode of Film Couch. Interesting issues raised. I agree the film is vignette-y. But sprawling and appropriate. It takes a talented director to make the tidy. I never felt the film was incoherent or messy.

I believe Matthew Goode was  an appropriate casting choice. But Jackie Earle Haley and Jeffrey Dead Morgan were explosive. Malin Ackerman is probably the weakest link.

I vlogged about my "Watchmen Experience" on my You Tube channel. View the video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZONyfR-FoI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just finished listening to the latest episode of Film Couch. Interesting issues raised. I agree the film is vignette-y. But sprawling and appropriate. It takes a talented director to make the tidy. I never felt the film was incoherent or messy.</p>
<p>I believe Matthew Goode was  an appropriate casting choice. But Jackie Earle Haley and Jeffrey Dead Morgan were explosive. Malin Ackerman is probably the weakest link.</p>
<p>I vlogged about my &#8220;Watchmen Experience&#8221; on my You Tube channel. View the video here <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZONyfR-FoI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZONyfR-FoI</a></p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2009/03/04/watchmen-review/#comment-122167</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan Moore, although clearly a gifted artist is also undeniably a douchebag.  To say that Moore wouldn't get involved with "Snyder and co." is clearly not an accurate depiction of the issue, as this movie has been under development without Moore or Snyder for quite some time now (10 to 20 years depending on your source).  Moore refused to get involved with any Watchmen movie because of his disdain for hollywood.  Plain and simple.  While he could have involved himself in the creative process, trying to make certain that the movie stayed faithful to the spirit of his work, he chose in stead to devote his efforts to trying to prevent anyone from going to see the movie.  I would be interested in reading a review, not so much a "this is how I would have made this movie." In addition, you discussed that Goode was a poor casting choice, but I have read other reviews that said he did the best of anyone.  I don't know who to trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Moore, although clearly a gifted artist is also undeniably a douchebag.  To say that Moore wouldn&#8217;t get involved with &#8220;Snyder and co.&#8221; is clearly not an accurate depiction of the issue, as this movie has been under development without Moore or Snyder for quite some time now (10 to 20 years depending on your source).  Moore refused to get involved with any Watchmen movie because of his disdain for hollywood.  Plain and simple.  While he could have involved himself in the creative process, trying to make certain that the movie stayed faithful to the spirit of his work, he chose in stead to devote his efforts to trying to prevent anyone from going to see the movie.  I would be interested in reading a review, not so much a &#8220;this is how I would have made this movie.&#8221; In addition, you discussed that Goode was a poor casting choice, but I have read other reviews that said he did the best of anyone.  I don&#8217;t know who to trust.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Sirotek</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2009/03/04/watchmen-review/#comment-122111</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Sirotek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don't like the idea of Rorschach doing spin-kicks and fist-jabs and the Nite Owl being a badass with taser-gloves... OMG AVOID the Watchmen "prequel" games on PC and XBox Live. Holy crap. They reduce the characters to hollow shadows of themselves and drop them into a sub Streets of Rage brawler where they fight the same 5 curse word spouting escaped cons over and over and over. The End is Nigh indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t like the idea of Rorschach doing spin-kicks and fist-jabs and the Nite Owl being a badass with taser-gloves&#8230; OMG AVOID the Watchmen &#8220;prequel&#8221; games on PC and XBox Live. Holy crap. They reduce the characters to hollow shadows of themselves and drop them into a sub Streets of Rage brawler where they fight the same 5 curse word spouting escaped cons over and over and over. The End is Nigh indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik McClanahan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik McClanahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty much in total agreement with you Kevin. I found the film frustrating. Not only does it truncate several key characters, sub plots and motivations (especially the mishandled Ozymandias in the movie, not to mention poor casting selection of Mathew Goode for the role) but Snyder makes the mistake modernizing and extending the fight scenes. They were cool to look at, but completely out of the reality the the comic sets up. This is not the Matrix, Rorshach shouldn't be doing kung fu kicks and punching through walls. not a terrible movie, some of it was entertaining, I especially loved Manhattan's exile to Mars which was handled perfectly save for the reveal of Silk Spectre II's father. All in all, Moore is right. He made the comic for THAT medium only, and while it was a valiant (and I'm sure profitable) effort by Snyder and co. I feel this story is perfect as is in print, comic book form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty much in total agreement with you Kevin. I found the film frustrating. Not only does it truncate several key characters, sub plots and motivations (especially the mishandled Ozymandias in the movie, not to mention poor casting selection of Mathew Goode for the role) but Snyder makes the mistake modernizing and extending the fight scenes. They were cool to look at, but completely out of the reality the the comic sets up. This is not the Matrix, Rorshach shouldn&#8217;t be doing kung fu kicks and punching through walls. not a terrible movie, some of it was entertaining, I especially loved Manhattan&#8217;s exile to Mars which was handled perfectly save for the reveal of Silk Spectre II&#8217;s father. All in all, Moore is right. He made the comic for THAT medium only, and while it was a valiant (and I&#8217;m sure profitable) effort by Snyder and co. I feel this story is perfect as is in print, comic book form.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Henderson</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2009/03/04/watchmen-review/#comment-122088</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Victor Sirotek, your comment about Alan Moore immediately struck me as misleading because the context implies that he has distanced himself specifically from this film and not a Watchmen movie in general. I don't think that requires any additional background for accuracy, rather a change from "this film" to "any Watchmen film". As a standalone piece I shouldn't have to follow another link from last July for the context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Victor Sirotek, your comment about Alan Moore immediately struck me as misleading because the context implies that he has distanced himself specifically from this film and not a Watchmen movie in general. I don&#8217;t think that requires any additional background for accuracy, rather a change from &#8220;this film&#8221; to &#8220;any Watchmen film&#8221;. As a standalone piece I shouldn&#8217;t have to follow another link from last July for the context.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Sirotek</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2009/03/04/watchmen-review/#comment-122078</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Sirotek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read your Dave Gibbons post. I find it very interesting how Alan won't have anything to do with Hollywood. I have heard from colleagues of his like Warren Ellis when I saw him at Wizard World last year, that Alan, while an incredibly decent and wise person, has a tendency to make strange decisions and then never, ever change his mind. He sold the rights to League of Extraordinary Gentlemen before he even wrote the graphic novel and then acted stunned when it didn't do his work justice. Confounding.

To learn more about Alan, here is an incredible BBC doc about him from the 80s. It is from a show called England Thier England. It is in 5 parts, all are on YouTube. I think it helps to unwind some of the man. You also get to hear him do a reading of Swamp Thing that is just amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucba9NtF3cE&#38;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read your Dave Gibbons post. I find it very interesting how Alan won&#8217;t have anything to do with Hollywood. I have heard from colleagues of his like Warren Ellis when I saw him at Wizard World last year, that Alan, while an incredibly decent and wise person, has a tendency to make strange decisions and then never, ever change his mind. He sold the rights to League of Extraordinary Gentlemen before he even wrote the graphic novel and then acted stunned when it didn&#8217;t do his work justice. Confounding.</p>
<p>To learn more about Alan, here is an incredible BBC doc about him from the 80s. It is from a show called England Thier England. It is in 5 parts, all are on YouTube. I think it helps to unwind some of the man. You also get to hear him do a reading of Swamp Thing that is just amazing.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucba9NtF3cE&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucba9NtF3cE&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: Victor Sirotek</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2009/03/04/watchmen-review/#comment-122076</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Sirotek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool, thanks Kevin! I will check it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool, thanks Kevin! I will check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Buist</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2009/03/04/watchmen-review/#comment-122074</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Buist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't have time in this review to elaborate on how Moore and Gibbons have reacted to the production of the film. I wrote a piece about Gibbons commenting on the film and Moore's attitude about it back in July, during a press conference at Comic Con. You can read that here:

http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/26/comic-con-2008-watchmen-artist-dave-gibbons-on-writer-alan-moore/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t have time in this review to elaborate on how Moore and Gibbons have reacted to the production of the film. I wrote a piece about Gibbons commenting on the film and Moore&#8217;s attitude about it back in July, during a press conference at Comic Con. You can read that here:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/26/comic-con-2008-watchmen-artist-dave-gibbons-on-writer-alan-moore/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.spout.com/2008/07/26/comic-con-2008-watchmen-artist-dave-gibbons-on-writer-alan-moore/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Victor Sirotek</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2009/03/04/watchmen-review/#comment-122072</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Sirotek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan Moore did not distance himself from the film. Alan Moore has cut off his relationship with DC Comics and Warner Brothers and removed his name from anything that they do outside of reproductions of his work that they own. It isn't quite the same thing. You also don't mention that Dave Gibbons, the artist and 50% creator of the title, worked on production of the movie and is extremely pleased with it.

I'd also like to add that the meta story within the Watchmen graphic novel, Tales of the Black Freighter, has been completely gutted from the movie. Zack Snyder opted to include it on its own DVD which is cool I guess... but it does seem like a planned money grab for Alan Moore fans. Still, I will be picking it up at the end of March. Zack has said that the DVD über-extreme-better-than-evar cut of the movie will include a lot of this content placed back into the movie.

I just bought the motion graphic novel that just was released on DVD yesterday and it does an amazing job of intelligently bringing the graphic novel to life. I just hope the movie does the same for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Moore did not distance himself from the film. Alan Moore has cut off his relationship with DC Comics and Warner Brothers and removed his name from anything that they do outside of reproductions of his work that they own. It isn&#8217;t quite the same thing. You also don&#8217;t mention that Dave Gibbons, the artist and 50% creator of the title, worked on production of the movie and is extremely pleased with it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to add that the meta story within the Watchmen graphic novel, Tales of the Black Freighter, has been completely gutted from the movie. Zack Snyder opted to include it on its own DVD which is cool I guess&#8230; but it does seem like a planned money grab for Alan Moore fans. Still, I will be picking it up at the end of March. Zack has said that the DVD über-extreme-better-than-evar cut of the movie will include a lot of this content placed back into the movie.</p>
<p>I just bought the motion graphic novel that just was released on DVD yesterday and it does an amazing job of intelligently bringing the graphic novel to life. I just hope the movie does the same for me.</p>
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