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		<title>By: sean90291</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean90291</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm an indie film fan and filmmaker who saw Transformers 2 on opening day. It's a "bad movie" in terms of story and originality. But it's still fun. It's simply a spectacle that delivers about $10 worth of entertainment. That's where critics have missed the boat. 

Alien vs. Predator also got terrible reviews when it premiered. So I avoided it, only to rent it a year later on DVD, when I found myself saying, hey, this film is some damn good fun--wish I'd seen it with a big, dumb audience in a theatre. If you like monster fights, if you like robot fights, if you like big dumb special effects, you're going to enjoy these movies.

The sold out audience at the Transformers 2 screening applauded at the end. Friends have told me the audience applauded when they saw it too. That's gotta tell you something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an indie film fan and filmmaker who saw Transformers 2 on opening day. It&#8217;s a &#8220;bad movie&#8221; in terms of story and originality. But it&#8217;s still fun. It&#8217;s simply a spectacle that delivers about $10 worth of entertainment. That&#8217;s where critics have missed the boat. </p>
<p>Alien vs. Predator also got terrible reviews when it premiered. So I avoided it, only to rent it a year later on DVD, when I found myself saying, hey, this film is some damn good fun&#8211;wish I&#8217;d seen it with a big, dumb audience in a theatre. If you like monster fights, if you like robot fights, if you like big dumb special effects, you&#8217;re going to enjoy these movies.</p>
<p>The sold out audience at the Transformers 2 screening applauded at the end. Friends have told me the audience applauded when they saw it too. That&#8217;s gotta tell you something.</p>
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		<title>By: Solarjet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solarjet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in transformers 3, they should have omega prime. Don't you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in transformers 3, they should have omega prime. Don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Transformers 2 Blows Critic-Audience Divide Wide Open. Today in &#8230; &#171; eazywar.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Transformers 2 Blows Critic-Audience Divide Wide Open. Today in &#8230; &#171; eazywar.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tim Lara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Lara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a shitty ass movie http://yovia.com/blogs/stevenmeyerjr/</description>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people who see a film opening weekend will not have read any reviews, nor heard much word-of-mouth.  People line up to see these "event pictures" because the marketing has built up such tremendous inertia.  

TF2 matched the marketing inertia of Dark Knight, but will probably drop precipitously given bad reviews, word-of-mouth.  If it does, that seems like a validation of the effect of critical response on the portion of the audience who actually cares about critical response.

I don't think many people who line up for an event picture are too concerned if the movie is good.  It's a visceral thing, to let yourself be immersed in the pervasive branding - toys, games, energy drinks.  There's an excitement to that which is wholly different from the experience of watching a good movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people who see a film opening weekend will not have read any reviews, nor heard much word-of-mouth.  People line up to see these &#8220;event pictures&#8221; because the marketing has built up such tremendous inertia.  </p>
<p>TF2 matched the marketing inertia of Dark Knight, but will probably drop precipitously given bad reviews, word-of-mouth.  If it does, that seems like a validation of the effect of critical response on the portion of the audience who actually cares about critical response.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think many people who line up for an event picture are too concerned if the movie is good.  It&#8217;s a visceral thing, to let yourself be immersed in the pervasive branding - toys, games, energy drinks.  There&#8217;s an excitement to that which is wholly different from the experience of watching a good movie.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think critics are missing one important thing. This movie is of its own acion genre. I have seen tons of sword fights, space ships, matrix like fist fights, car chases, gun battles, and yes, super heroes too. 

However, I have only seen giant robots that can transform realistically into a car once, and that was in 2007. And that was really cool.

And since no other movie has been able to do that except the sequel. I watched that too. And did it deliver? Sure, because I got to see even more robats that can transform duking it out.

In that sense, the transformers series visually is pretty unique as an action series. Its got no competition! Which other action movie can give me giant transforming robots other than transformers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think critics are missing one important thing. This movie is of its own acion genre. I have seen tons of sword fights, space ships, matrix like fist fights, car chases, gun battles, and yes, super heroes too. </p>
<p>However, I have only seen giant robots that can transform realistically into a car once, and that was in 2007. And that was really cool.</p>
<p>And since no other movie has been able to do that except the sequel. I watched that too. And did it deliver? Sure, because I got to see even more robats that can transform duking it out.</p>
<p>In that sense, the transformers series visually is pretty unique as an action series. Its got no competition! Which other action movie can give me giant transforming robots other than transformers?</p>
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		<title>By: The problem with Transformers 2 &#124; Andy Barlow Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The problem with Transformers 2 &#124; Andy Barlow Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Well, this little mystery, called the critic-audience divide is greatly illustrated in this post Spout Blog.   Share and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: StevenC</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevenC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The general moviegoing populace doesn’t realize that their ticket sales are votes, and if the studios get enough votes, they will keep churning out filth and bile."

I realize that, and I plan on buying another ticket to TF2.  Thanks for reminding me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The general moviegoing populace doesn’t realize that their ticket sales are votes, and if the studios get enough votes, they will keep churning out filth and bile.&#8221;</p>
<p>I realize that, and I plan on buying another ticket to TF2.  Thanks for reminding me!</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua T. Ruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua T. Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for putting this together. 

I think that with all the assumptions being made that critics are whiny, pretentious and out-of touch, there are also many assumptions being made of audiences. Chiefly, that they are too stupid to know the difference between a good film and a bad. I guess I'd just like to wait and see how it fares next weekend.

I've heard a lot of word of mouth from friends of mine (friends that don't spend all day reading film blogs or listening to podcasts or that really critcally think of film at all) that TF2 was pretty bad. It seems to me that when a film like this comes along, it's an event. Watching it is viewed almost as an obligation. That doesn't mean, however, that it will continue to perform as well. 

It seems that critics are so passionate about this because TF2 makes a grand point. While 'The Dark Knight' showed us that a truly remarkable film can do great box office, TF2 shows us the exact opposite. The fears that TF2 will make bank are founded ones. The general moviegoing populace doesn't realize that their ticket sales are votes, and if the studios get enough votes, they will keep churning out filth and bile. The general moviegoing populace just knows that they need to go see the new 'Transformers' movie because that's what everyone else is doing.

My generalizations stop there, though. I think that people (sort of) know crap when they see it. Otherwise, 'Wolverine' wouldn't have dropped off a financial cliff after word of mouth got around. I just hope I'm right. Otherwise, the studio execs will see dollar signs in the baffling plot and humping jokes of TF2.

For my part, I feel guilty for having seen it. I haven't seen 'The Brothers Bloom' yet but I spent my money on this - and Terminator, and Wolverine. Because that's what all my friends were doing. I know that I'm part of the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for putting this together. </p>
<p>I think that with all the assumptions being made that critics are whiny, pretentious and out-of touch, there are also many assumptions being made of audiences. Chiefly, that they are too stupid to know the difference between a good film and a bad. I guess I&#8217;d just like to wait and see how it fares next weekend.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard a lot of word of mouth from friends of mine (friends that don&#8217;t spend all day reading film blogs or listening to podcasts or that really critcally think of film at all) that TF2 was pretty bad. It seems to me that when a film like this comes along, it&#8217;s an event. Watching it is viewed almost as an obligation. That doesn&#8217;t mean, however, that it will continue to perform as well. </p>
<p>It seems that critics are so passionate about this because TF2 makes a grand point. While &#8216;The Dark Knight&#8217; showed us that a truly remarkable film can do great box office, TF2 shows us the exact opposite. The fears that TF2 will make bank are founded ones. The general moviegoing populace doesn&#8217;t realize that their ticket sales are votes, and if the studios get enough votes, they will keep churning out filth and bile. The general moviegoing populace just knows that they need to go see the new &#8216;Transformers&#8217; movie because that&#8217;s what everyone else is doing.</p>
<p>My generalizations stop there, though. I think that people (sort of) know crap when they see it. Otherwise, &#8216;Wolverine&#8217; wouldn&#8217;t have dropped off a financial cliff after word of mouth got around. I just hope I&#8217;m right. Otherwise, the studio execs will see dollar signs in the baffling plot and humping jokes of TF2.</p>
<p>For my part, I feel guilty for having seen it. I haven&#8217;t seen &#8216;The Brothers Bloom&#8217; yet but I spent my money on this - and Terminator, and Wolverine. Because that&#8217;s what all my friends were doing. I know that I&#8217;m part of the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its one thing to have an opinion about this movie and shoot it down and say whatever you like about it. But the  Critics are pretty much saying that the general Audience that Liked the film of such a loud movie and obnoxious story line blah blah. They are almost saying that we as the Audience who liked it have brought the Movie Goers Taste  to an all time low. Come on! Its an opinion. Most enjoyed it and some didn't. They are putting all this emotion behind their words, State your opinion and shut up. As far as comparing " The Dark knight" and "Transformers" There is no comparison besides the money. 2 diff kinds of movies so shut up about it!!  GOKINSMEN makes a really good point. I mean I am glad its making a lot of money but the critics  are shooting themselves in the foot. The more they talk weather its Negative or Positive the more attention brought to this film the more it makes. Say the word Transformers in a group of people somebody's gonna say " We should go see that"  Its the way of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its one thing to have an opinion about this movie and shoot it down and say whatever you like about it. But the  Critics are pretty much saying that the general Audience that Liked the film of such a loud movie and obnoxious story line blah blah. They are almost saying that we as the Audience who liked it have brought the Movie Goers Taste  to an all time low. Come on! Its an opinion. Most enjoyed it and some didn&#8217;t. They are putting all this emotion behind their words, State your opinion and shut up. As far as comparing &#8221; The Dark knight&#8221; and &#8220;Transformers&#8221; There is no comparison besides the money. 2 diff kinds of movies so shut up about it!!  GOKINSMEN makes a really good point. I mean I am glad its making a lot of money but the critics  are shooting themselves in the foot. The more they talk weather its Negative or Positive the more attention brought to this film the more it makes. Say the word Transformers in a group of people somebody&#8217;s gonna say &#8221; We should go see that&#8221;  Its the way of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Flores</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Flores</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that a film like this would make that much money and might make a shitload of money makes me wish I could commit a mass suicide in order to have people to stop watching this dreck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that a film like this would make that much money and might make a shitload of money makes me wish I could commit a mass suicide in order to have people to stop watching this dreck.</p>
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		<title>By: L1A</title>
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		<dc:creator>L1A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i'm not a critic and the movie was probably worst movie i saw all year. and so what it made 200+ mil? i'm not getting any of that cash. the amount is totally irrelevant to anyone that wasn't involved with the movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m not a critic and the movie was probably worst movie i saw all year. and so what it made 200+ mil? i&#8217;m not getting any of that cash. the amount is totally irrelevant to anyone that wasn&#8217;t involved with the movie.</p>
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		<title>By: StevenC</title>
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		<dc:creator>StevenC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is what I think.  It isn't hard.

People liked Transformers 1.  They got sweet robots, explosions, Megan Fox, and a whole lot of fun, with some humor sprinkled in.  

Transformers 2 uses the exact same formula but since it has a much bigger budget there are more sweet robots and explosions.

It doesn't take a genius to see how worthless the critics are when it comes to something like this.  I remember the positive reaction to Transformers 1, which pretty much went like this:

"I expected it to be dumb, but I didn't expect it to be such fun."

I saw it on iMax and I will see it again on regular theater.  I wanted it to be a bigger budget version of Transformers 1, and I got exactly what I wanted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is what I think.  It isn&#8217;t hard.</p>
<p>People liked Transformers 1.  They got sweet robots, explosions, Megan Fox, and a whole lot of fun, with some humor sprinkled in.  </p>
<p>Transformers 2 uses the exact same formula but since it has a much bigger budget there are more sweet robots and explosions.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t take a genius to see how worthless the critics are when it comes to something like this.  I remember the positive reaction to Transformers 1, which pretty much went like this:</p>
<p>&#8220;I expected it to be dumb, but I didn&#8217;t expect it to be such fun.&#8221;</p>
<p>I saw it on iMax and I will see it again on regular theater.  I wanted it to be a bigger budget version of Transformers 1, and I got exactly what I wanted.</p>
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		<title>By: gokinsmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>gokinsmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but you guys are hypocrites/missing the larger point.  To paraphrase a line from The Simpsons: "If you stop paying attention to it, it goes away."

Journalists and critics all over keep giving a blockbuster with an eight-figure publicity budget even MORE free publicity on their site or in their publication.  And then you all sit there wondering how a terrible film did such great business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but you guys are hypocrites/missing the larger point.  To paraphrase a line from The Simpsons: &#8220;If you stop paying attention to it, it goes away.&#8221;</p>
<p>Journalists and critics all over keep giving a blockbuster with an eight-figure publicity budget even MORE free publicity on their site or in their publication.  And then you all sit there wondering how a terrible film did such great business.</p>
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