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	<title>Comments on: WHATEVER WORKS, VICKY CRISTINA &#038; Late Woody Allen</title>
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
		<link>http://blog.spout.com/2009/07/08/whatever-works-late-woody-allen/#comment-130604</link>
		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Allen's later films, now in particular the last two, Vicki, Christine, Barcelona  and Whatever Works, I see the narrative structure as being at least as important, and probably more important than the thematic structure. More important in that, this is where they are most fully realized. Comic timing, the way conversations happen- the way one event begets the next, which begets the next and so on. I really enjoyed both, especially Vicky, because I think there was a great elegance in the storytelling. It's Allen's acute sense of comic timing and dramatic tension that pulled me through with such satisfaction. He uses lust, violence, existential anxiety, youthful exuberance and myriad other human tendencies like potions in a test tube.

I think there are certainly philosophical questions built into the stories, but they strike me more as musings or puzzles in the Wittgenstein-sense, rather than statements about the world or its meaningful/lessness.

I'd also like to say something about the idea that the character's are "cliches." It seems to me there is a trend in contemporary American film towards realism over story. Think Rachel Getting Married... In this type of film the audience is supposed to identify with, or relate to the characters personally in order to experience the story. I could say a lot a about this approach, but suffice it to say, I think it's a bit of a fleetingly successful approach, especially when the thematic underpinning and story development are as flimsy as in Rachel Getting Married. On the other hand, in these Allen movies, his characters are there to stand in for specific parts of the human experience/psyche/condition rather than a whole person. Rather than being cliched, it draws on collectively held notions, then mixes and matches them for dramatic effect and to show the ideas from different angles and in different lights. I think this is a pretty tried and true way of telling a story too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Allen&#8217;s later films, now in particular the last two, Vicki, Christine, Barcelona  and Whatever Works, I see the narrative structure as being at least as important, and probably more important than the thematic structure. More important in that, this is where they are most fully realized. Comic timing, the way conversations happen- the way one event begets the next, which begets the next and so on. I really enjoyed both, especially Vicky, because I think there was a great elegance in the storytelling. It&#8217;s Allen&#8217;s acute sense of comic timing and dramatic tension that pulled me through with such satisfaction. He uses lust, violence, existential anxiety, youthful exuberance and myriad other human tendencies like potions in a test tube.</p>
<p>I think there are certainly philosophical questions built into the stories, but they strike me more as musings or puzzles in the Wittgenstein-sense, rather than statements about the world or its meaningful/lessness.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to say something about the idea that the character&#8217;s are &#8220;cliches.&#8221; It seems to me there is a trend in contemporary American film towards realism over story. Think Rachel Getting Married&#8230; In this type of film the audience is supposed to identify with, or relate to the characters personally in order to experience the story. I could say a lot a about this approach, but suffice it to say, I think it&#8217;s a bit of a fleetingly successful approach, especially when the thematic underpinning and story development are as flimsy as in Rachel Getting Married. On the other hand, in these Allen movies, his characters are there to stand in for specific parts of the human experience/psyche/condition rather than a whole person. Rather than being cliched, it draws on collectively held notions, then mixes and matches them for dramatic effect and to show the ideas from different angles and in different lights. I think this is a pretty tried and true way of telling a story too.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't like the end of Vicki Christi, and didn't think too much of the movie.  And I say that as a guy that has liked many of Allen's recent movies, like Match Point, for example, or Scoop.  I love Woody Allen and I want to like his movies.
  But hey, Annie Hall was his best movie...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t like the end of Vicki Christi, and didn&#8217;t think too much of the movie.  And I say that as a guy that has liked many of Allen&#8217;s recent movies, like Match Point, for example, or Scoop.  I love Woody Allen and I want to like his movies.<br />
  But hey, Annie Hall was his best movie&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow -- Thanks, Karina.  While I have issues with recent Allen pictures -- I tend to prefer the Mia pictures -- I find a lot of the criticism of his work hackneyed in just the way you describe.  It's nice to see someone writing about his work in non-prescribed ways, especially since even some of the more respectable critics fall into the same old cliches when reviewing Woody's newer films.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8212; Thanks, Karina.  While I have issues with recent Allen pictures &#8212; I tend to prefer the Mia pictures &#8212; I find a lot of the criticism of his work hackneyed in just the way you describe.  It&#8217;s nice to see someone writing about his work in non-prescribed ways, especially since even some of the more respectable critics fall into the same old cliches when reviewing Woody&#8217;s newer films.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I felt like Allen's take wasn't so much that these characters choices were meaningless, but that they were all equally valid. I was moved by the sympathy and even-handedness.  In the end, it's clear that a life of passion, a life of security and a life of confusion all have their benefits and their consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I felt like Allen&#8217;s take wasn&#8217;t so much that these characters choices were meaningless, but that they were all equally valid. I was moved by the sympathy and even-handedness.  In the end, it&#8217;s clear that a life of passion, a life of security and a life of confusion all have their benefits and their consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nicely written. i am envious of this review :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nicely written. i am envious of this review <img src='http://blog.spout.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i recently watched these two films.  thought 'Whatever' was a pretty funny lark, and was more than bland on 'Vicki'.  so here's my two cents...

for Allen to be perpetually 'baffled' by the same mysteries, while every time coming to the same conclusions (that the whole has no meaning, but the tiny parts hold us rapt, etc.), i would argue is a form of knowledge about human nature. yet all he gives are variations on these same melodies of questions and answers, and because of that nothing new is ever discovered.  trotting out cliched players and setting them into motion in carefully considered situations where it's predetermined the angle at which each one will refract off the other, well no wonder it seems like autopilot.  there's a knowingness to his presentation of love and naivete.

i would for once would like to see Allen make a film where he truly doesn't know or understand the subject.  maybe that means staking a definite claim or position about what real love is (he has been married to the same woman for 15+ years) and seeing what happens when its thrown into a torrential environment.  does it stand up?  is it reaffirmed?  at least with that there's the possibility of creating a real tension between what his truth is and what someone else's might be.  

but when nothing is true, nothing is at stake.  and that's what a lot of his later films have felt like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i recently watched these two films.  thought &#8216;Whatever&#8217; was a pretty funny lark, and was more than bland on &#8216;Vicki&#8217;.  so here&#8217;s my two cents&#8230;</p>
<p>for Allen to be perpetually &#8216;baffled&#8217; by the same mysteries, while every time coming to the same conclusions (that the whole has no meaning, but the tiny parts hold us rapt, etc.), i would argue is a form of knowledge about human nature. yet all he gives are variations on these same melodies of questions and answers, and because of that nothing new is ever discovered.  trotting out cliched players and setting them into motion in carefully considered situations where it&#8217;s predetermined the angle at which each one will refract off the other, well no wonder it seems like autopilot.  there&#8217;s a knowingness to his presentation of love and naivete.</p>
<p>i would for once would like to see Allen make a film where he truly doesn&#8217;t know or understand the subject.  maybe that means staking a definite claim or position about what real love is (he has been married to the same woman for 15+ years) and seeing what happens when its thrown into a torrential environment.  does it stand up?  is it reaffirmed?  at least with that there&#8217;s the possibility of creating a real tension between what his truth is and what someone else&#8217;s might be.  </p>
<p>but when nothing is true, nothing is at stake.  and that&#8217;s what a lot of his later films have felt like.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Flores</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Flores</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent.  I had a few problems with "Vicky Cristina Barcelona" though I did think it was a good film.  One of them is the narration which I felt was unnecessary and revealed too much.  I would've preferred if it was in Spanish for stylish reasons.

I agree with you about Allen's misuse of Scarlett Johansson whose performance in "Vicky" I found to be very lifeless and just one-note.  It was as if she exemplified her strengths in "Lost in Translation" but didn't do anything with it but look sexy and that is it.  

Johansson, I felt after LIT and "Girl with a Pearl Earring" became unsure of what to do with herself afterwards.  While there were moments that showed that she could act in films like "A Love Song for Bobby Long" and "The Other Boleyn Girl" though both films were decent at best.  "Match Point" became the film that I think changed Scarlett from a serious actress with potential to a sex symbol where she started off great but then became this over-the-top character that I found to be very annoying.

She's very inconsistent as of late.  She ranges from being decent in something mediocre like "Scoop" or just bad in a good film like "The Prestige".  Then she gets nothing to do in some bad films like "The Black Dahlia" or be horrible in the very bad "The Spirit" while being very miscast in "The Nanny Diaries".  It's obvious she is going to be one of the few things that will make "Iron Man" suck.  The only thing that can save her is a director that knows what to do with her and maybe challenge her as an actress.  Unfortunately, maybe no one wants to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent.  I had a few problems with &#8220;Vicky Cristina Barcelona&#8221; though I did think it was a good film.  One of them is the narration which I felt was unnecessary and revealed too much.  I would&#8217;ve preferred if it was in Spanish for stylish reasons.</p>
<p>I agree with you about Allen&#8217;s misuse of Scarlett Johansson whose performance in &#8220;Vicky&#8221; I found to be very lifeless and just one-note.  It was as if she exemplified her strengths in &#8220;Lost in Translation&#8221; but didn&#8217;t do anything with it but look sexy and that is it.  </p>
<p>Johansson, I felt after LIT and &#8220;Girl with a Pearl Earring&#8221; became unsure of what to do with herself afterwards.  While there were moments that showed that she could act in films like &#8220;A Love Song for Bobby Long&#8221; and &#8220;The Other Boleyn Girl&#8221; though both films were decent at best.  &#8220;Match Point&#8221; became the film that I think changed Scarlett from a serious actress with potential to a sex symbol where she started off great but then became this over-the-top character that I found to be very annoying.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s very inconsistent as of late.  She ranges from being decent in something mediocre like &#8220;Scoop&#8221; or just bad in a good film like &#8220;The Prestige&#8221;.  Then she gets nothing to do in some bad films like &#8220;The Black Dahlia&#8221; or be horrible in the very bad &#8220;The Spirit&#8221; while being very miscast in &#8220;The Nanny Diaries&#8221;.  It&#8217;s obvious she is going to be one of the few things that will make &#8220;Iron Man&#8221; suck.  The only thing that can save her is a director that knows what to do with her and maybe challenge her as an actress.  Unfortunately, maybe no one wants to.</p>
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